topic Re: Editing Crop regions in Revit Architecture Forum

Editing Crop regions

Sahay_R — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:01:01 GMT

Is it possible to modify the lineweight of crop region boundaries to have varying linestyles?

Office standards require that one side of the crop region be invisible - so far haven't seen any option to do so without taking the clip with / without line route and manually drawing the boundary to get the required effect.

Any thoughts, cheats, or workarounds please?

Re: Editing Crop regions

cbcarch — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:08:04 GMT

Perhaps with Dynamo--check here:

http://sixtysecondrevit.com/2016-12-06-override-revit-interior-elevations-crop/

Re: Editing Crop regions

Sahay_R — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:14:32 GMT

@cbcarch - TY - but this is to change the lineweight of the entire crop region. What I am aiming at is something like this -

Re: Editing Crop regions

ToanDN — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 16:45:20 GMT

Old school way: a Masking region or a Break line with a mask.

Re: Editing Crop regions

barthbradley — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:03:56 GMT

@Sahay_R wrote:

Is it possible to modify the lineweight of crop region boundaries to have varying linestyles?

Office standards require that one side of the crop region be invisible - so far haven't seen any option to do so without taking the clip with / without line route and manually drawing the boundary to get the required effect.

Any thoughts, cheats, or workarounds please?

Solution: Revise the Office Standards.

...Hey, how was Vegas? Or does that information stay in Vegas?

Re: Editing Crop regions

Sahay_R — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:19:59 GMT

@ToanDN - where is the masking region placed? In the view or on the sheet? When I place it in the view, it just slides under the crop region line, and Revit is unforgiveably rude when I try to place it on the sheet.

The only thing which has come close to doing what I want it to has been to create the break line linework in a generic annotation family, and nest in another generic annotation family with a masking region.

Unless someone can come up with a more elegant solution?

Re: Editing Crop regions

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:23:21 GMT

I use the donut masking region... inside of the donut is the heavy section lines / crop and I can use invisible lines at corridors and such. Outside line I use invisible lines, but really it can be any as I move the view crop between the masking donut lines. Then I turn off the crop region for the view.

It's time consuming, but interior elevations look a heck of a lot better.

Re: Editing Crop regions

ToanDN — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:31:08 GMT

@Sahay_R wrote:

@ToanDN - where is the masking region placed? In the view or on the sheet? When I place it in the view, it just slides under the crop region line, and Revit is unforgiveably rude when I try to place it on the sheet.

The only thing which has come close to doing what I want it to has been to create the break line linework in a generic annotation family, and nest in another generic annotation family with a masking region.

Unless someone can come up with a more elegant solution?

I see. below is what I normally do.

Re: Editing Crop regions

cbcarch — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:50:55 GMT

-Great unless you have 45 sheets of elevations...…...lots of manual editing time. Not adding much value to the project IMO.

-I think the OP was looking for an automated method to apply to a selected group of views, or globally to all crop regions?

-Perhaps there is a way with Dynamo?

Re: Editing Crop regions

ToanDN — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 18:55:36 GMT

@cbcarch wrote:

-Great unless you have 45 sheets of elevations...…...lots of manual editing time. Not adding much value to the project IMO.

-I think the OP was looking for an automated method to apply to a selected group of views, or globally to all crop regions?

-Perhaps there is a way with Dynamo?

It is not that bad. For construction document level of quality you can't just pop in an elevation marker, let it generate a view and call it a day. There will be annotation, dimensions, details, etc.. added to the elevations and this one is taking one minute per view top. You can even create a stretchable detail component with a masking region, place it and stretch 4 sides to fit - 1 minute reduced to 15 seconds.

Re: Editing Crop regions

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:09:34 GMT

Donut method also works great if you have ceiling changes or need to show multiple levels but hide stuff you don't want to see.

Re: Editing Crop regions

Sahay_R — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:46:07 GMT

@Anonymous, @ToanDN - where are the Detail item / Donut placed? On the view or the Sheet? The caveat here is that it should be placed on the view and not the sheet....

Re: Editing Crop regions

ToanDN — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:46:35 GMT

View.

Re: Editing Crop regions

cbcarch — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 19:56:00 GMT

Sounds like we need Dynamo Donuts. ( and coffee!)

Re: Editing Crop regions

ToanDN — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:13:09 GMT

Thing is that it is not the same for every elevation. Some need on one side, some need on the other, some need on both, the rest don't. With that many variations it is not easy to do with dynamo.

Re: Editing Crop regions

cbcarch — Wed, 05 Dec 2018 20:18:01 GMT

-Have Dynamo place a default donut on each elevation view automatically.

-Saves having users place them manually. Then users adjust as required.

-Automate where value is added; limit user-input to tasks which require "skill/thinking".

-Make money. Have happy users and clients.

Re: Editing Crop regions

Corsten.Au — Thu, 06 Dec 2018 02:27:52 GMT

Just to add to that..

Its better to use Callout with Reference.. This helps disconnect the actual callout rectangle on views ( plan, elevation section ) to callout View created , and masking region can be applied.

If its a direct callout, then its hard to manage it cause it will dynamic and will always keep changing if callout moves even a littlebit..

Use Reference Other View, and pick the correct view..

Re: Editing Crop regions

Sahay_R — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 13:52:15 GMT

I agree with you, @Corsten.Au, regarding the callout with reference. That's pretty much what I end up doing for enlarged part elevations.

@ToanDN - here is what I get when I drop in a detail item family into the interior elevation - it masks the building but not the crop outline or the tags. Unless your modus operandi is to insert it into an uncropped view - and the detail item does the job of a crop region?

At the end of it, I think that the Generic Annotation Break Line + Masking region family would be the quickest and easiest to control. But again, that's just me....

Thank you , gentlemen. You have given me considerable food for thought.

Re: Editing Crop regions

ToanDN — Fri, 07 Dec 2018 18:52:48 GMT

Nothing can mask a view crop region. Hence the Donut masking region and/or Cutline family suggestion.