topic Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf in Revit Architecture Forum

How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surface?

rattywolf — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 18:06:34 GMT

I want to create a family containing custom tiles or bricks that can be stretched to cover the whole base surface, is it possible to create such thing in Revit, without Dynamo?

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

barthbradley — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 18:31:12 GMT

Base surface of what? A wall? Why not apply the tile or brick as a wall type or a wall sweep. That's normally how it's done.

...a Stacked Wall Type is a great way to do wainscots.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

rattywolf — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 18:44:25 GMT

What if I need something like these bricks? I don't see how this can be made as sweep profile

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

ToanDN — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:02:06 GMT

Window family or cuartian wall with custom panels.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

barthbradley — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:04:55 GMT

Cool. Yeah; that's a whole different animal. You can do that as a Line-Based array. It's a little complicated because you are arraying horizontally as well as vertically. But it's doable. The key will be to model one single brick in a separate family and nesting that family into multiple arrays. Families within families, so to speak. Is it always only two rows? It it suppose to cut the host?

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

barthbradley — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:17:02 GMT

If you an do it as a series of fixed width and height curtain panels, @ToanDN suggestion is by far the easiest. You can then embed this Curtain Wall into a Basic Wall.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

rattywolf — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:34:04 GMT

It is supposed to be a wall or a part of the wall covered with this pattern. Just made such family with imported half-brick family inside. Seems to slow down the program performance.. Will it be more lightweight as a curtain wall?

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

barthbradley — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:35:31 GMT

Hard to say. Let's look at your family. Post it here.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

rattywolf — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 19:44:30 GMT

Here it is. I used array of arrays, may be the issue

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

barthbradley — Sat, 09 Mar 2019 20:57:00 GMT

Don't nest groups. In other words, avoid creating groups within other groups.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/CloudHelp/cloudhelp/2016/ENU/3PP-REV-Wiley/files/GUID-32DA64E7-22FE-445E-B006-A5E7094765AF-htm.html

...as I indicated in my above post, the way to do it is by nesting families into families. For example: Family A (the array element) nests into Family B for making the horizontal array) and also into Family C for making the vertical array). Family B (horizontal array) nests into Family C (vertical array) . Family C is the one that is loaded into project.

...Can you open a 2017 RVT? I you can, I can post an example.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

ToanDN — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 00:45:29 GMT

See revised file.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

barthbradley — Sun, 10 Mar 2019 01:50:34 GMT

see revised file.

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

Corsten.Au — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 06:29:15 GMT

Hi..

multiple ways to approach that..

Curtain PanelEmbed and Cut the curtain wall from the wall... this will cut the entire wall, so you might need to model a solid part of wall within the curtain wall Panel...This is some new approach.. create a generic model ( wall or surface based ), can be liner, array, or adaptive family..place that on the wall, and use cut geometry...

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

Sahay_R — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:25:03 GMT

Very Corbusier-ish. My question is - is this amount of detail required in the model? Can detail lines be used to 'fudge' the appearance of the bricks in views? A parametric array driven line based detail item family is very do-able, and relatively harmless to the health of the model. As you had mentioned, loading this family did slow the model down - I am not surprised. Do you require this level of detail for renderings - in that case, create a considerably simpler model with all the 3D doodads your heart desires. In the bigger picture of CDs - is it at all worth it?

Re: How to create a wall/surface based family that automatically covers the surf

rattywolf — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:41:55 GMT

Thank you so much for covering different ways of doing this