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Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:09:03 GMT

Hi, I would like to make a window frame around the windows and doors similar to the pictures. How can i do this?

Re: Brick frame around window

RDAOU — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:12:16 GMT

@Marie.j03

You can do that using material applied to either of the following:

In place modeled sweep around opening
a sweep modeled in a line based family
a frame/sweep modeled nested or built-in the window or door family

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:23:02 GMT

Hi @RDAOU

I tried with material on a sweep but it doesnt ocme aligned like the images

Re: Brick frame around window

martijn_pater — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:44:44 GMT

I think I've seen a similar topic before with screencast... found it: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-architecture-forum/tile-around-windows/m-p/9285687 (by @RDAOU also 😉 really nice)

Another option:
4. Use split face/paint with custom model pattern, but mostly for 2d/elevation purposes.

Re: Brick frame around window

RDAOU — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:46:16 GMT

@Marie.j03

Profile needs to be slightly slimmer on the inner side (towards the center)

Edit: See image and screencast below

Re: Brick frame around window

RDAOU — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:49:53 GMT

@Marie.j03

Adjust the profile on the inner side to be slightly shorter then the material pattern till orient towards center

Edit: ~~See screencast below~~ ...or just watch the screencast on the post martjin added to his reply...can't seem to be able to upload it here

Re: Brick frame around window

constantin.stroescu — Sat, 22 Feb 2020 22:33:19 GMT

Beside the methods enumerated by RDAOU in his post I'll add a method that use Generic Model Adaptive Families -Parametric ( one family nested into another and then load either directly into the Project , or into a Window or Door Family....

the first Adaptive Family with Parameters:

and the second one , also with Parameters:

in the following screencast , you can see how these parameters work:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/revit-products/learn-explore/caas/screencast/Main/Details/51a69e98-b53d-4625-83fd-9a13531362be.html

Re: Brick frame around window

barthbradley — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 06:40:17 GMT

Personally, I would just use model lines -- pretty much the way brick is typically represented. This way it matches with the brick hatch pattern used for the wall -- unless, of course, you are modeling all your wall bricks/mortar joints as well.

Attached RVT contains a fully parametric family for placing radial arrays of model lines as shown in the top screenshot. Drill down and investigate how the family is constructed via nested formula-driven families. You can easily swap out the model line being arrayed for any geometry, such as the “brick” family that is cutting into a "mortar" wall shown in the bottom two screenshots.

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:24:50 GMT

Thank you for the nice presentation but I don't know how to work with adaptive families. The material methode worked very fine with me 🙂

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:31:42 GMT

Mr. @barthbradley I opened you file and it looks like You are using 2 walls! Which if I understood right, i must use 1 wall with brick pattern and 1 wall without pattern in order to do the radial array of lines!

This is not practical and not feasible because one shouldn't need to double the walls and place them once with pattern and once without. The sweep aligned the pattern perfectly ok and I didnt have to put walls twice

Re: Brick frame around window

martijn_pater — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 13:02:38 GMT

Only if you would model model brick+mortar, as mentioned, otherwise also useable just with one wall. It is a very nice family/method/solution also.

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 13:40:50 GMT

Maybe you should you try it and demonstrate how it works with one wall. Otherwise you can use it because for me it doesnt work at all 《:●)

Re: Brick frame around window

martijn_pater — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:22:59 GMT

Sure no problem, same as #4 I mentioned really. You apply the model line array as pattern on a split face/painted surface (instead of using a model pattern, 'easier' to create/place as pattern).

Single wall using model line array.

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:51:02 GMT

As I have said the sweep in the window family using the profile shown above and applying material did the job perfectly well and all the doors and windows are done.

I am not interested in showing grout on the elevation or 3D because and I do not need to count bricks because we measure such works in linear meters. Maybe if the project is one window or 1 wall with some opening feature you could go splitting faces, painting or building brick over brick like he did in that file attached. We shouldn't make things harder and more complicated than they should be 《:●) sweep + material + pattern all done!

Re: Brick frame around window

martijn_pater — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 15:58:40 GMT

I never said I thought it is the best solution, but it sure is one. But I like the 3D version of that solution better I agree, never thought of using mortar wall (I built it into family once though). But I can appreciate that.

Re: Brick frame around window

barthbradley — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 18:09:44 GMT

You know @Marie.j03, a simple "thank you" would have sufficed.

Re: Brick frame around window

constantin.stroescu — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:02:02 GMT

I've made a screencast on the subject.

To resume:

I used two Generic Model Adaptive Families:
the first Family is made around 1 Adaptive Point and could contain either a 2d or a 3d object
the second family contains an Arch ( in my screencast an Arch and a Circle) divided by Divided Path
insert Family 1 on one of the Nodes of Family 2
for Divided Path use Layout set to Distance instead of Number
use Repeat to spread the Family one onto all the Nodes
as you can see from the screencast I've used Parameters

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/47806fbc-6434-40ef-9a69-898b14671988

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:44:51 GMT

@constantin.stroescu thank you for a very detailed tutorial I will watch it again and try to follow while doing in revit.

Re: Brick frame around window

Marie.j03 — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 20:59:50 GMT

@barthbradley so sorry I thought I did ... thank you for taking the time to post something and help. That family you sent is a witness that have good skills and know how in revit but I'm sorry it did not work for me.

I also forgot to mention before that the arch jumps left and right when I change the angle to something different than 360 and the keystone gets off centered. Other times when I change radius it gave me an error "can't cut instance(s) of Brick Radial Array 3 of 3 out of host" ... probably that is fixable but for sure I cannot fix it 《:●)

It was just too much for something which can be done in 5 mins for the whole project

Re: Brick frame around window

martijn_pater — Sun, 23 Feb 2020 21:12:38 GMT

Nice sceencast, but I am wondering why you wouldn't 'just' use a generic family with a radial array. edit: perhaps due to above mentioned errors, didn't notice those, surely could get that working though. Interesting to see different ways to do this type of thing though...