topic Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue in Revit Architecture Forum

Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:22:58 GMT

Hi all,

drawing up a model with some custom structural framing and for some reason some of the structural members show and some don't. I cycle through medium and fine detail with no changes, and coarse reverts it to stick. Any thoughts?

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

cbcarch — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:02:48 GMT

View Range/cut plane?

Workset/Filter visibility?

Try cutting a section and see if all the framing displays.f

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:18:47 GMT

Thanks for the reply. Should have mentioned that phase are all set to new construction and I've tried cyclying through disciplines. They're all at around the same height, so its weird that some sides of the framing are being cut and the other is just invisible. Seems to be doing the same thing in section too. What am I missing?

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

martijn_pater — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:20:07 GMT

The geometry in the family Visibility settings is set not to show in course view. If you select the family, edit family, select the geometry and click Visibility settings you can check/uncheck the visibility for it. This course view representation is a default.

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:23:19 GMT

Thank you for your reply, I already checked this out and it is checked for
all detail levels. Any other ideas?

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

gareth.spencer1 — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:32:56 GMT

Hi,

Looking at the image you have shared the don't look like a simple shape. Can you provide some more information about the shape you are trying to create? This way we can understand what it is you need to be visible. Also it does look like the family is curved.

I assume you have. But did you create the family using the Structural Framing family (either Beams and Braces or Complex and Trusses)?

When you have created the family did you set the visibility settings of all the elements and lines correctly?

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:41:00 GMT

Thank you for replying. Yes this is a custom shape pick-lined from a revolved mass. I have edited a beam family. I've also attached the visibility settings that I have set. going back to my original post I'm unsure why some elements are visible in the floor plan and some aren't if they are all set the same way. I obviously want to show all this information in the floor plan so I need to figure out how to make these elements visible.

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

martijn_pater — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:50:26 GMT

I think it might be a problem with the swept profile for the beam family if you use pick-lines.. or perhaps workplane related... What if you draw it manually instead instead of pick line? You could also make those beams as Adaptive Component which would respond better to curved surfaces.

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:53:20 GMT

Ok I'll give that a try. I just found it really strange that some of them
cut and some didn't, even though they are at the same height. Thanks for
your input!

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

barthbradley — Fri, 30 Oct 2020 22:37:46 GMT

Post your file and start your stop watch. Betcha we have a solution for you in under one minute.

Go!

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Sat, 31 Oct 2020 00:39:45 GMT

hehe Stopwatch is started

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

barthbradley — Sat, 31 Oct 2020 22:41:28 GMT

Voila!

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 02:46:30 GMT

Almost, but you've definitely given me a few ideas to explore, thankyou!

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

barthbradley — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 02:57:00 GMT

What do you mean by "almost"?

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:01:46 GMT

Well the initial issue was that some famiing member were being cut and others weren't. In the example you have sent me none of the members are being cut.

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

barthbradley — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 03:39:28 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
Well the initial issue was that some famiing member were being cut and others weren't. In the example you have sent me none of the members are being cut.

Well then, uncheck "Show family precut in plan views". The underlying issue is resolved by changing the Cross-Section Rotation. It's a known and documented issue. The other issue is that your family is sloppily built. Whether or not that contributed to your specific issue; I don't know. Maybe it did. Maybe it didn't. Regardless, your "circular_column_90" family was improperly built. I had to fix it because it was bothering me. I'm surprised it didn't bother you. Maybe you don't care, but I do -- ALMOST always. 😉

Re: Structural Framing Visibility Issue

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Nov 2020 05:33:10 GMT

Ok look I'm getting the sense you've taken this somewhat personally. I only wrote "almost" because you didn't actually answer my question, and as you have shown (witihn our multi-message exchange) the real solution was "The underlying issue is resolved by changing the Cross-Section Rotation. It's a known and documented issue".

The family I built was just modified version of another family, and now that I've rotated the cross-section as you recommended the problem has been resolved and will be fine for all my needs. I appreciate your eventual help, but also no need to be vindictive about someone declaring they haven't actually received an answer in what you have posted, especially newbies.