topic Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section. in Revit Architecture Forum

Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:16:26 GMT

view below is made through a section box. As you can see the floor finish layers at the front of the cut shows currectly as desired (even in section), but taking a section through the walls shows the layes embedded inside the walls. If I switch join geometry then these layers disapper, but the wall finish then goes down till the floor core. I dont want that. I even ran a material takeoff to see if this was just a graphical issue but the finish quantity comes more than needed.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:26:27 GMT

Check the priorities of the layers.

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-1CCD1005-CBDA-4338-8D60-489095D4BB25

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:38:27 GMT

I tried playing around with the priorities, but I think everything seems fine with regards to that. Below is a section view. The problem is, if the section view is correct, why does the 3D view show the layers going through the wall? Also, note that in the 3D view, I made the section box intersect with the wall thickness. If I do not do that, then all is good. But the messing up of the quanitity takeoff bothers me. Check the revit file attached below.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:50:05 GMT

Have you used Join Geometry Tool between them? In the correct order? If not, use Switch Join Order.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:54:48 GMT

If you don't want to use Join Geometry, then use Layer Extension.

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2025/ENU/?guid=GUID-93F44C38-8158-4F7D-94E3-C076E1367786

https://help.autodesk.com/view/RVT/2025/ENU/?guid=GUID-E11C1335-5CC2-4001-8563-021E01CCF829

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:58:15 GMT

You are welcome to post your RVT File here. I can take a look and see.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 14:59:35 GMT

I did. As i said at the start, that does make the finish layers behave properly. Even the quanitites come out correct. But the wall finish then penetrates the floor finishes. I do not want that. I tired changing the priorities of the layers of both wall & floor to check if it behaves differently but nothing happens.

Wall finish penetrating Floor finish

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:01:01 GMT

here is the revit file

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 15:03:03 GMT

Using layer extensions would, surely solve the problem, but doing this everywhere in the project would be a tedious process.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

ToanDN — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 16:41:41 GMT

Create parts from the floor and schedule parts for material takeoff.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 16:47:16 GMT

isn't this how it's supposed to join?

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:03:03 GMT

Like this?

If so, adjust the floor sketch boundary.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sat, 21 Sep 2024 17:12:03 GMT

Seems to me that this is the way it should be.

....bottom line, correcting the floor sketch boundary and priorities will get you to where you want to go.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sun, 22 Sep 2024 06:27:06 GMT

This is correct. That how I want it to be. Please ignore how it will actually be constructed on site as I am using this example just for the issue I am facing. Now.... this result is achievable by me as show in the very first image when I created this post. The wall gypsum layer penerates just the oak flooring and not the sheathing. Thats what correct. But can you please try making the section box cut the thickness of the wall? i can see the image you shared has both the interior & exterior wall finishes visible. Because that is where revit is messing something up. I have attached image below where the quantites are incorrect. Floor simplied into a 1x1m Object to get 1sqm as area, but its incorrect in schedule.

In the second image below i tried breaking down the floor into parts as suggested by @ToanDN , this methods shows the correct results as an approximation, but this will be a super tedious process for larger projects.Here, the flooring quanitity comes out correct.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Sun, 22 Sep 2024 06:40:45 GMT

Check the video below

(view in My Videos)

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sun, 22 Sep 2024 17:02:13 GMT

I get it now. This is about MTOs- not graphics. That wasn't made clear to me in your first post. I see now that this isn't about "Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section", which is the topic/title - and what all your screenshots are illustrating. This is about material quantities not being reported accurately in a Material Takeoff Schedules.

This issue, limitation, shortcoming, or however you want to characterize it, has been discussed, debated and cursed over - ad nauseum - on this forum since forever. Use Parts (as @ToanDN suggested) -- or employ a "Parts" workflow. That is, model layers as separate and distinct Family Types (e.g. Hardwood Floor Type, Gypsum Board Wall Type). This is what we do alot. But yeah, I agree; both approaches are more "tedious". You have to decide whether or not it's necessary.

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Sun, 22 Sep 2024 18:37:37 GMT

BTW: When I cut the Wall with a 3D Section Box, I get strange things are showing up here too.

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Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

shamikshinde — Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:57:56 GMT

😂😂😂😂 The contractor is going be floored when a truck full of m&m shows up on site.

Anyways. Thanks for the help. I'll just keep the extra quantity, as I need a safe margin anyways. I thought that the problem was somehow linked to the graphics being shown incorrectly. Thank you once again.👍

Re: Floor Finish layers going through wall in 3D, but the geometry between the two is correct in section.

barthbradley — Mon, 23 Sep 2024 04:19:41 GMT

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