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Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 09:57:24 GMT

I am trying to use a curtain walling system to replicate some horizontal cladding panels that have a 150mm lapping vertical joint. In the below example I have used multiple systems and disallowed joints then manually overlapped them. This works but I cannot easily create openings that span across multiple systems. Next step is custom panel.

I would prefer to use curtain grids to create the lap. I have use a custom curtain panel with an 75mm offset on each end which works really well. Until....you need openings, then Revit says no.

How can I create a system that has overlapping vertical joints, can accept openings and preferably be used for walls and roof type scenarios?

Best.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

azad.Nanva — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:17:47 GMT

for opening you can use the Mass or another empty curtain wall (Empty System Panel : Empty) and cut the walls:

(view in My Videos)

if this is not enough say we can in another way fix it.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

azad.Nanva — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:19:51 GMT

if you send your panel may be i can test it too.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:32:23 GMT

I have attached the project file in the OP.

Thanks for looking.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:37:27 GMT

This is a great workaround. Thank you for the video.

I have managed to use windows/doors to create openings across multiple curtain walling systems when the panel is a wall element.

The main issue is that I have to create multiple systems for each bay and manually overlap them and dissallow join. This is a "workaround" and creates much more work.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

azad.Nanva — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:44:05 GMT

@buzzytrent wrote:
I have attached the project file in the OP.

Thanks for looking.

this is the wall this is not your panel ,this one:

you make it well but you need to control the offset from left and right for outside panel or middle panel

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

azad.Nanva — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 13:59:32 GMT

@buzzytrent wrote:
This is a great workaround. Thank you for the video.

I have managed to use windows/doors to create openings across multiple curtain walling systems when the panel is a wall element.

The main issue is that I have to create multiple systems for each bay and manually overlap them and dissallow join. This is a "workaround" and creates much more work.

no this is so easy , use the normal door and window , your curtain wall panel is wall so you don't have problem:

(view in My Videos)

watch the film.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 14:17:21 GMT

You're correct Revit will allow doors/windows to create openings as I mentioned. Please reread my reply.

Openings are now not the issue. The issue is having to array multiple curtain walling systems to create the elevation instead of using curtain walling gridlines to create the vertical overlapped joints.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

azad.Nanva — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 14:41:33 GMT

@azad.Nanva wrote:
@buzzytrent wrote:
I have attached the project file in the OP.

Thanks for looking.
this is the wall this is not your panel ,this one:

you make it well but you need to control the offset from left and right for outside panel or middle panel

i answer you in the first time , i say send your family to fix it for you the panel family to use in one curtainwall .

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 15:55:57 GMT

custom panel attached as requested.

Thanks again for looking

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

Quinnitecture — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 16:42:46 GMT

@buzzytrent wrote:
I am trying to use a curtain walling system to replicate some horizontal cladding panels that have a 150mm lapping vertical joint.

Overlapping how? Like this:

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 16:49:07 GMT

Overlapping as per the OP image and file.

above image as an elevation view.

above image is a plan view

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 16:57:17 GMT

to add some context to the project. This curtain walling system is replicating a Twin-Skin built up cladding system commonly used in industrial building envelope cladding.

Here is a simple section through the cladding system:

note the outer sheet (right side) is a 32/1000 corrugated profile sheet. horizontally laid.

here is the lap in basic 3d:

I need to "lap" the panels so the schedules will read the correct length for each panel and the elevations will correctly show the lap for the installers to identify that the sheets are "lapped" and not "butted" together.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

Quinnitecture — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:00:21 GMT

How would that be possible in real life? Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but it looks like is two solid elements overlapping each other and occupying the same space.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

Quinnitecture — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:02:08 GMT

Yes! So, my screenshot in message #11 is fundamentally correct.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

Quinnitecture — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:15:08 GMT

Why is it necessary to model overlap? That's not something we do. That would you be a nightmare. There's all kinds of overlapping in construction. Where the overlap is a critical, we show that overlap in construction details.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:39:46 GMT

Your screenshot on post #11 is incorrect. The sheets have a corrugated profile, that can lap on top of each other (they have the same profile) and are fixed together with fixings. This corrugated sheet is commonly used on construction sites.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:42:28 GMT

The reasons I outlined in the final paragraph of post #13.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:43:25 GMT

The reasons I outlined in post #13.

Re: Achieving curtain walling system with overlapping panels + openings

buzzytrent — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 17:48:47 GMT

This makes sense. If the lap was not modelled (the model of the panels will effectively be short) What would be your suggestions for correctly scheduling the panels, annotating the panel setting out in elevation/plan in order for someone on site to construct them correctly if they are not modelled to how they will be installed? Thanks for the help.