topic Re: Wall inside Door Family in Revit Architecture Forum

Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29 — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:24:15 GMT

Hello everyone!

Is there any way to have a wall inside a door/window family?

My endpoint would be to create something like this in the door family, it is very important that I have the centerlines (analytical models) of those small pieces of walls.

Re: Wall inside Door Family

L.Maas — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:43:19 GMT

No. Walls are system families and only existing inside the project. Therefore you can not have them to be part of a loadable (door) family

Re: Wall inside Door Family

RDAOU — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:55:14 GMT

@moraruandrei29

You can nest a custom shared family (category: structural column or structure beam) into door family to give you that result

From the looks of that detail...this also seems like a part of a 3D printed concrete project. If so I would keep the concrete jambs with the walls and place either a non-hosted door or a door in a dummy wall

Re: Wall inside Door Family

barthbradley — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:47:37 GMT

What about just controlling the Inset of the Door/Window from the Analytical Center of the Wall it is hosted to? And/or hosting the Door/Window to an Embedded Wall?

Re: Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29 — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 14:51:39 GMT

Hi @barthbradley

Can you elaborate a bit on that? I do need the analytical models.

Re: Wall inside Door Family

barthbradley — Mon, 13 Sep 2021 15:26:47 GMT

@moraruandrei29 wrote:
Hi @barthbradley
Can you elaborate a bit on that? I do need the analytical models.

Which part? Embedded Wall? You can use the Cut Geometry tool to embed one Wall Type into another. If you are asking about Inset, open a stock Revit Window, such as "Fixed", and look at how the "Window Inset" parameter works.

Re: Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29 — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:38:15 GMT

Hi @RDAOU,

Thanks for your help, I very much appreciate all the work you do here guys!

1. I can't just place a column in the window family, as the column will have just a line as analytical model, therefore will not be printed.

2. The door is placed in a dummy wall indeed, it is doable, with workarounds, but I am trying to find an easier process, for adding doors and windows to these projects, instead of doing all this work for each window/door every time.

Again, thank you for your help!

Re: Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29 — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:43:57 GMT

Hi @barthbradley,

Thank you very much for your input!

I understand how to embed a wall into another, the thing is, how to make it round corner.

Thanks again for your help guys, I very much appreciate it. Cheers!

Re: Wall inside Door Family

RDAOU — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 14:55:38 GMT

@moraruandrei29

To do what you are thinking of would then require that you add custom analytical lines separately as model in-place. SEE GIF BELOW ...

you can automate the above easily using Dynamo; however, I still do believe that walls should be kept with walls and doors placed separately in an architectural dummy wall...less hassle, a more straight forward workflow which gets you all the analytical surfaces/lines automatically

Re: Wall inside Door Family

ToanDN — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:02:54 GMT

@moraruandrei29

You can nest a shared architectural column into the door family to create the rounded jambs. They will join with the wall nicely when the door is inserted in a wall in the project. ~~Similarly, analytical lines can be added to the door family or to the jamb architectural column family as a shared structural family, without any geometry, just lines.~~

2022 file is attached. It is a quickie without the ~~shared~~ analytical column, but you get the idea.

Edit: it's true that analytical lines cannot be added in a custom family per @RDAOU , you can add subcategory model lines in the shared column family in order to recreate/trace them as true in-place analytical lines in project. When done you can turn off the place-holder subcategory model lines.

Re: Wall inside Door Family

RDAOU — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 15:49:30 GMT

@ToanDN

Analytical Lines subcategory is only available in Project environment not in Family Editor...Hence custom ones are created as in-place

Re: Wall inside Door Family

barthbradley — Tue, 14 Sep 2021 21:41:56 GMT

Re: Wall inside Door Family

moraruandrei29 — Wed, 15 Sep 2021 07:24:03 GMT

@RDAOU @ToanDN @barthbradley You guys are awesome. I just realized that I can create centerlines for the printer, using Masses. Sometimes the answer it's less complicated than you think it is.

Now I can use the columns for the door family for visualization purpose and with the analytical models of the walls + the in place mass, I can make it ready for 3D printing. I will post some results soon.

Thank you again guys! you guys rock this program!