topic Re: Floor and Two Walls Join in Revit Architecture Forum

Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 06:43:58 GMT

Hello everyone

how can I join a floor and two walls at the same time, so that there is continious vertical structural layer (1) of the two walls, joined to the stractural layer (1) of the floor (red in the image)?

I tried to drag down the upper wall down with a shape handle or give a Bottom offset value, but it still couldn't join with the floor bellow. The floor joins only with the wall bellow. The outcome is nonstructural layers belloow the door.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

RDAOU — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 06:59:51 GMT

@dm0144

Make sure Material match between the continuous structural layer you want to create and use JOIN GEOMETRY see Gif below

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 08:02:28 GMT

@RDAOU I am attaching rvt. file. It doesn't seem to work for me.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

RDAOU — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:12:58 GMT

@dm0144

The layer function Hierarchy between wall and floor is somewhat off and not matching (ie: join priorities may not behave as desired sometimes) but looking at the section, the Structural concrete layer of the 2 walls (upper and lower floors) and the Floor look continuous to me!!

Moreover, in your original post you had a slab on the interior side and another on the exterior (balcony - highlighted below from your OP)...This would be required for the Join at the Door/Window...it is not in the attached file

Result when you join with the balcony floor:

Im not sure what is happening at your end or if I am missing anything...maybe you can attach a model with all the elements?

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 09:22:50 GMT

@RDAOU I also noticed that the structural layers of both walls and floor are joined but only where the door is not placed (noticed when deleted the door). The detail is important in this particular example. The door needs to be fixed on the structural layer of the wall bellow (structural layer has to extend to that height). It is importaqnt to be displayed in section view.

And yes, the balcony is ommited in the example I attached. It is part of the building.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

RDAOU — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:06:00 GMT

@dm0144

You will need to work with unlocked layers or with parts...the former might be easier. See GIF below

Alternative is to add a beam and join it to the Wall and the slab

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Mon, 20 Sep 2021 10:52:40 GMT

@RDAOU Thanks!

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:19:01 GMT

@RDAOU Is there a way to make both neighbouring layers unlocked and than have separate shape handles for eache of them?

I would need to add 2 cm top offset for the structural layer (layer 2), layer 1 has to come down (red angle in screensot) and layers from 3-6 have to be from bottom to top.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 14:52:18 GMT

@RDAOU Also, here I have issue switching the join order between th floor and the wall beneath, just like you did in the gif above.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

RDAOU — Tue, 02 Nov 2021 15:07:49 GMT

@dm0144

If you are using parts you can...

Using Unlocked/Locked wall layers no...

If the left and right slabs would have had the same bottom height, you would unlock the middle adjacent layers and keep the outer ones locked then instead of stretching the plaster layer down, you would stretch the core up
However, in any case (same bottom height or different bottom height slabs) you shouldn't need to unlock more than one side/layer...the other side you can achieve with join geometry

Below I unlocked only the 20mm outer plaster (red) ...the inner part (green) I used Join Geometry.

If you upload the wall and the 2 slabs can then have a look at hat you have at your end. It is hard to replicate 100% considering the layer hierarchies and join order

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 13:35:31 GMT

@RDAOU

Please check the uploaded model above.

If the wall has top offset by 2 cm, that means that the wall above would need to have bottom offset of -2 cm.

Also, idk. why the switch join order doesnt work for me.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

RDAOU — Wed, 03 Nov 2021 19:26:26 GMT

@dm0144

Provide one which contains both slabs shown in the image you posted

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 07:20:17 GMT

@RDAOU Here it is.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:02:28 GMT

@RDAOU

I think the work around the detail that I am after can be achived with having both neighbouring layers, Structure 1 and Finish 5, unlocked in section.

If there is the limitation where unlocked layers must be adjasent and not seperated by locked layer (correct me here if I am wrong), than why I only get one shape handle for both layers instead of one for each unlocked layer?

Have a look at the screenshot attached.

Desired heights of each layer or set of layers is colored accordingly from 1 to 3.

The desired height of layers 3 is at the floor level, though it is not visible in the section since the connection at the section is correct.

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

RDAOU — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:04:57 GMT

ok...if you feel that would give the results you are after, then sure why not. However, unlocking 2 adjacent layers get 1 shape handle..refer to previous reply

max shape handles you can get is 2... You will get 3 shape handles when u unlock the adjacent Middle layers and keep the outer ones locked...However, in reality they (Handle a and C) are the same

Re: Floor and Two Walls Join

dm0144 — Thu, 04 Nov 2021 09:07:58 GMT

@RDAOU

Is there any way to get the result from the screenshot?

1-desired height for Finish 5

2-desired height for Structure 1

3-Desired height for rest of the layers