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    <title>topic model text reference type in Revit API Forum</title>
    <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5907054#M69306</link>
    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm using a nested family with modeltext. My model text is determined by project parameters which all work fine.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Only problem is that the model text in my family determines family placement in the project. (The tags is placed outside my beam family)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In other words I need to set model text to a reference type = not a reference. This is possilble with lines and planes ... but snooping the revit database there's nothing like this for model text.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Why do I need this:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm working on a label/tag for precast concrete elements. The labelnumber needs to rotate with the element. So the text in this tag can be up-side-down. This is not possible using normal structural framing tags.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I&amp;nbsp;really need help on this one.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dennis&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:40:23 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>KE-engineering</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2015-11-13T15:40:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>model text reference type</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5907054#M69306</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm using a nested family with modeltext. My model text is determined by project parameters which all work fine.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Only problem is that the model text in my family determines family placement in the project. (The tags is placed outside my beam family)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In other words I need to set model text to a reference type = not a reference. This is possilble with lines and planes ... but snooping the revit database there's nothing like this for model text.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Why do I need this:&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I'm working on a label/tag for precast concrete elements. The labelnumber needs to rotate with the element. So the text in this tag can be up-side-down. This is not possible using normal structural framing tags.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I&amp;nbsp;really need help on this one.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Regards,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Dennis&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:40:23 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>KE-engineering</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-13T15:40:23Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: model text reference type</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5907089#M69307</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;my thoughts:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;ModelText is a special case since its geometry is depending on both font and text.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;When changing the text parameter, the resulting geometry will be re-created entirely, losing all possible references since also the faces cannot stay the same ones.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;There is no persistence in ModelText, no way to provide stable references.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;On the other hand, when changing an Extrusion, the object itself stays the same one, so the top and bottom faces can be used for references.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Revitalizer&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:57:17 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5907089#M69307</guid>
      <dc:creator>Revitalizer</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-13T15:57:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: model text reference type</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5907377#M69308</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;&lt;SPAN&gt;mmm...I don't think I completly understand what you're trying to tell me here.&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The main reason I'm working with modeltext in my family is that normal beam tags won't rotate with the beam (follow beam placement)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Modeltext is doing well as an alternative but it's also has effect on my beam placement (left / right / center)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;So if there's a way to make an normal beamtag rotate.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2015 18:31:17 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>KE-engineering</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-13T18:31:17Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: model text reference type</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5915576#M69309</link>
      <description>Problem solved using a different nested family. The annotation family which I placed inside a beamfamily rotates with beamplacement and can also be up side down depending on beam placement. The annotation family within this beamfamily doesn't affect beamplacement (left/right/origin/center) Used shared (instance) parameters for text.</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:39:25 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5915576#M69309</guid>
      <dc:creator>KE-engineering</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-19T13:39:25Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: model text reference type</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/revit-api-forum/model-text-reference-type/m-p/5916021#M69310</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Thank you for letting the community know, how you solved your problem. I'm glad you found the answer.&lt;/P&gt;
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&lt;P&gt;Cheers,&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2015 16:15:15 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>rosalesduquej</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2015-11-19T16:15:15Z</dc:date>
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