topic Re: Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit? in Revit API Forum

Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit?

grubdex — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 11:42:05 GMT

Hi,

Revit is a single-threaded (therefore single-core) process. I was wondering if a Revit plugin would then have to live with the same restriction or whether a plugin could theoretically run multi-threaded/multi-processed? And what about GPU access? I know that some commercial plugin providers have developed standalone software with bidirectional connections to and from Revit, and I was wondering whether the hardware restrictions of Revit were the reason behind that.

Re: Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit?

jeremy_tammik — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 12:18:18 GMT

Your add-in is not restricted in any way. The only restriction imposed by Revit is the single-threaded implementation of the Revit API and access to Revit functionality. All other operations performed by your add-in are not restricted., limited or influenced by Revit in any way whatsoever. The next limiting factor might be the .NET environment in which your add-in lives, and the AppDomain that Revit provides for it. However, you also can always implement whatever functionality you like outside of your Revit add-in and communicate between that and the add-in in a number of ways.

Re: Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit?

grubdex — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 12:30:22 GMT

Hi Jeremy, thanks for the quick reply. Could you elabore a bit more on the following aspect of your answer?

The next limiting factor might be the .NET environment in which your add-in lives, and the AppDomain that Revit provides for it.

What does that mean in practice?

Getting data out of Revit and back in of course also means more overhead in terms of what needs to be built. Is there some kind of advice / best practices you can give here on when it's feasible to go that route?

Thanks in advance,

grubdex

Re: Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit?

jeremy_tammik — Thu, 03 Aug 2023 12:46:22 GMT

My pleasure, Thank you for your appreciation.

> What does that mean in practice?

No idea. I prefer theory. Sorry, studied math. You could examine the official .NET documentation and check what they say.

> Getting data out of Revit and back in of course also means more overhead in terms of what needs to be built. Is there some kind of advice / best practices you can give here on when it's feasible to go that route?

I don't understand your question. Please clarify what you want to achieve.

Re: Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit?

Kennan.Chen — Tue, 08 Aug 2023 04:33:14 GMT

According to my personal understanding, the limitation of running tasks on a single thread is not due to hardware restrictions but rather a deliberate design choice aimed at ensuring data consistency.

To clarify, the term "single-threaded" does not necessarily mean it all operates on a single core; it depends on the nature of the data your application handles during different phases.

When we refer to "single-threaded," we are likely talking about the "event loop" utilized by Revit to manage model modifications. The event loop is a common design pattern used in UI applications. However, internally, Revit can utilize multi-core or GPU cores to parallelize rendering processes and generate model data into images.

In the majority of cases, achieving parallel execution of tasks requires a careful design to split jobs into multiple individual sub-jobs. This can be quite challenging for most real-world scenarios.

For many UI applications, opting for a single-threaded approach offers greater stability and simplicity in maintaining data consistency. This holds particularly true for Revit, which is a software equipped with a third-party plugin system. In Revit, all operations related to reading and updating the model are queued and executed sequentially on the main thread, a decision rooted in Revit's specific business domain.

While it is possible to design Revit to support multi-threading, similar to a database software, doing so would entail sacrificing simplicity and introduce complexities related to handling thread-safety during modifications.

Moreover, it's important to note that even for writing data in parallel, a database relies on locking mechanisms to ensure data consistency, effectively making it single-threaded at its core. This approach is based on the widely accepted understanding that modifying related data must be regulated to guarantee data consistency.

Re: Is my plugin restricted by the computing resources of Revit?

jeremy_tammik — Fri, 01 Sep 2023 15:07:39 GMT

Thank you, Kennan, for the clarification! Added to the blog:

https://thebuildingcoder.typepad.com/blog/2023/09/add-in-threads-and-geometry-comparison.html#2