topic Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght in Moldflow Insight Forum

Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

Lorena.Rivas — Wed, 08 May 2024 01:46:25 GMT

Hi All!
Do we have an option to Plot "Cooling Stream Line Flow Lenght" in Moldflow Insight Cool FEM?

This result is provide by a competitor.

Thanks

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

bernor_mf — Fri, 17 May 2024 05:57:40 GMT

@Lorena.Rivas

Hi Lorena,

thank you for raising this. Interesting plot result.

From what I know such a result is not available.

Have no workaround either (API or calc), sorry.

Believe an enhancement request has to be posted to: Moldflow Ideas

Regards,

Berndt

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

Lorena.Rivas — Fri, 17 May 2024 19:35:51 GMT

Thanks @bernor_mf

I will create the post!

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

bernor_mf — Wed, 22 May 2024 05:20:55 GMT

Thanks @Lorena.Rivas .

I just add the link here if any in community want to kudos it. 😊

Add a Cooling FEM Result

Regards,

Berndt

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

PascalGosset — Wed, 22 May 2024 11:23:43 GMT

Hello simulators,

There is no point in posting requests on Ideas.

No one at Moldflow has taken care of this forum for 6 years.

The latest idea accepted was implemented in 2018 as you can see here:

Moldflow Ideas - Autodesk Community

Sorry lorena 😞

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

Lorena.Rivas — Wed, 22 May 2024 13:57:15 GMT

Hi @PascalGosset
I noticed that many of recent ideas are considered (and status changed to Accept, Gathering Support, Future Consideration, etc).
I'm sure that the Moldflow Team look into this ideas, but they also have another sources of feedback.

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

PascalGosset — Wed, 22 May 2024 14:54:20 GMT

@lorena

I have been following Ideas activity since I proposed improvements and am waiting for them to be implemented.
That is to say for a very, very long time.

Here is the status of requests as I noticed it in May 2018:
Gathering support: 732
Under review: 6
Future consideration: 3
Accepted: 28
Implemented: 28
Archived: 1
Comments requested: 9

And here is the state of requests today, 6 years later:
Gathering support: 950
Under review: 7
Future consideration: 5
Accepted: 31
Implemented: 31
Archived: 1
Comments requested: 9

I hope you are very very patient.

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

bernor_mf — Thu, 23 May 2024 05:15:39 GMT

@PascalGosset

Thank you for sharing this information.

I think it is good to surface enhancement requests and ideas to Moldflow Idea Station in general.

And for others in Moldflow community to kudos.

Plenty of room for improvement from Autodesk here.

Still gathering support for 950 ideas...

I think Hanno and Rahul need to review this.

@raalteh

@rahul.patil

What is happening with the ideas at Moldflow Idea Station?

And yes, I am a very very patient Moldflow user, hoping for things to improve.

Regards,

Berndt

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

PascalGosset — Thu, 23 May 2024 08:06:54 GMT

Hey simulators,

This isn't the first time I've pointed out that no one takes care of Ideas at Moldflow.

Like in this post I wrote in 2017 and to which Mr. Raalte responded:

Speed problem with MPI2017.3 - Autodesk Community - Moldflow Insight

Many people realize this.

Moreover, they are making less and less proposals on this forum:

202 in 2017, 121 in 2018, 57 in 209...17 last year.

I think you waste your time and your illusions asking for improvements on ideas.

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

raalteh — Thu, 23 May 2024 17:38:15 GMT

I know the creating idea station post is contentious! We are using this to look for items that we can do without an enormous development effort. In particular, we are particularly looking at the top (30 or 40) ideas and see if they are within reach. Over the last years we have knocked off quite a few of the ones that were in the top. Over the last years we have taken the 'top voted' items that are doable from a development perspective, to user meetings and ask customers to vote on which are the more important ones from this list.

This does not mean that the the idea station is NOT without problems:

There a are very many ideas in very many directions and doing a good assessment of them is impractical (and on its own would be a near full time job). I understand and accept there is an expectation gap. Customers raise topics but Autodesk (and probably in particular me) is not actively curating the list and participate in the discussions and changing statuses.
If an idea is a good idea, it may still be a huge development it. It is inevitable that there are going to be more ideas than we can realistically implement.
The number of ideas is also unmanageable for user. Requests appear multiple times as a result and... how does an issue that is low on the list even get visibility to vote. 100% ... this is a problem with the idea station. One way to approach it is for me to 'delete' items on the requested list. This would bring the list down to something more manageable but ... it also removes peoples ability to vote on the issue. There is not an easy solution, but frankly we may get to a point where we have to make a fresh start.
Lastly, I can understand that there is a desire for a hard commitment 'we will do this' (in the upcoming release) as a status. I 100% can agree that this is an essential part of this type of idea station, but we cannot make forward looking promises.

To give a bit more insight @PascalGosset, I can assure you that in our last planning, we did discuss two of your ideas near the top of the list; the more realistic weldline display (not following element edges) and Void prediction. Nothing is impossible in software, but certain things are easier to do that others. We have to make choices; if we do one big development, is that more important than 5 smaller developments? The answer is always going to be imperfect.

On all top voted ideas we have done some level of technical assessment of what it would take, and where the big blockers are. For some of the big blockers, we need to wait for some other tech to come in first (eg. for the runner library). For others, the issues are very ... very non-trivial (e,g. overmolding cooling is too hard to setup).

Again,...the idea station is imperfect, but with the 2024 release we delivered the Min/Max result options (listed 2x in the top 30 or 40) and have contact conditions for touching cores in core-shift. We ARE working on others that have high votes.

I completely understand that the idea station can be seen as a waste of time, but we ARE looking at this as input an direction. We are not clearing items as fast as anyone of us would want, but we have to balance 'features' with things like improving accuracy and speed/performance projects, as well as mundane component updates.

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

raalteh — Thu, 23 May 2024 17:42:15 GMT

@Lorena.Rivas Going to back to the request here: We currently do not...

I suppose you are looking for flow lenght for 3D Cooling channels... I suppose you are not looking for the maximum number but more for a distribution of the flow lengths?

What is the use case specifically and how critical is this?

Re: Cool FEM Result - Flow Lenght

Lorena.Rivas — Mon, 27 May 2024 22:58:33 GMT

Hi @raalteh
Yes! more the distribution.
A similarity could be Velocity, Channel (3D) but for Cool (BEAM)