topic Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow in Inventor Programming Forum

Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

greg.mort — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 14:24:10 GMT

Open inventor, run a rule that makes a handful of parameter changes, etc. It takes ~20 seconds to run

Open a .net app that uses the Inventor .net API to call

iLogicAutomation.RunRuleWithArguments

with Inventor running in the background or as a separate app

it takes minutes to run.

How can we have similar performance to running these rules as if we ran them manually within inventor?

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

yan.gauthier — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 16:21:43 GMT

The .Net app in question is it an .exe app that Marshalls to the inventor app ?

If yes, then I'd say it is to be expected. marshalling takes time. My guess is that the Ilogic Rule runs on the calling thread. Your app being on an external thread, it means that every calls to Inventor objects are to be marshalled...

If what you hope, by using a .Net app, is to improve performance, then I recommend that you create an Addin and then translate all your ILogic rules into your addin, you would be able to create command button just like with VBA macros and the performance will be better.

In my experience, a complex operation took about 16 sec with VBA, 30 sec with a .NET app and 10 sec with a .Net addin

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

greg.mort — Wed, 23 Jun 2021 20:05:19 GMT

interesting... Could I then go the c++ route? and build my .exe app using the c++ API instead of the .net API? I haven't dug deep enough to understand if that uses Pinvoke and perhaps has better performance. It does appear possible to run c++ with ilogic rules https://adndevblog.typepad.com/manufacturing/2013/09/run-ilogic-rule-from-external-application.html

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

yan.gauthier — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 13:00:05 GMT

Hi,

Honestly, I am pretty sure switching to C++ won't change anything. My approach would be to create an addin with C# and simply rebuild the rules from within the addin.

You can use the code samples from the SDK.

On a side note, Unity's dev team confirmed that C# can run as fast as C++ if you use the right libraries and all. On the other end, Linq is so much of a godsend, performance loss is rarely an issue is those case.

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

greg.mort — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 14:52:11 GMT

Tried it yesterday in c++ with negligible changes. Running COM that then has to interface with the addin (which is still a .net dll) means it only adds to the complexity.

The ilogic rules are already created (hundreds of them), so switching them to be an add in I don't think makes a lot of sense for our end goal. We are trying to eventually replace them all, but wanted to have our API approach be able to match what they are currently doing (by simply just calling them) and slowly replace them, but its just too slow...

Not sure there is a winning solution to this, unless someone has a novel idea of what to do?

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

yan.gauthier — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 15:10:02 GMT

I'm pretty sure that using that calling the ilogic automation API from within an addin would work without issue. All you need is declare the addinServer and the button definitions. that way, the process that calls the Ilogic would be Inventor itself, so no com interop performance loss

Otherwise, you could set your Ilogic to trigger with a parameter and then use your .Net app to change the parameter only ?

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

bradeneuropeArthur — Fri, 25 Jun 2021 19:36:23 GMT

If you know the command name you can use the commandmanager for it!

This should be easy.

Like:

Thisapplication.commandmanager.contoldefinition.item(commandname).execute

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

greg.mort — Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:24:15 GMT

There are quite a few commands available within the ControlDefinition, but not 'runrule'

iLogic.About : About iLogic : About iLogic
iLogic.AddForm : Add Form : Add Form
iLogic.AddRule : Add Rule : Add Rule
iLogic.AssignName : Assign Name... : Assign Name...
iLogic.ClearCodeClipboard : Clear captured code : Clear captured code
iLogic.Configuration : iLogic Configuration : iLogic Configuration
iLogic.DeleteAllRules : Delete All Rules : Delete All Rules
iLogic.DeleteName : Delete Name : Delete Name
iLogic.DrawingGenerateCode : Capture Current State : Capture Current State
iLogic.EditName : Edit Name... : Edit Name...
iLogic.EditRule : Edit Rule : Edit Rule
iLogic.EventTriggers : Event Triggers : Event Triggers
iLogic.FreeILogicMemory : Free iLogic Memory : Free iLogic Memory
iLogic.HideLabel : Hide Label : Hide Label
iLogic.HideLabels : Hide Labels : Hide Labels
iLogic.iCopy : iLogic Design Copy : iLogic Design Copy
ilogic.logwindow : :
iLogic.PlaceComponent : Place iLogic Component : Place iLogic Component
iLogic.RegenAllRules : Regenerate All Rules : Regenerate All Rules
iLogic.RuleBrowser : iLogic Browser : iLogic Browser
iLogic.ShowLabel : Show Label : Show Label
iLogic.ShowLabels : Show Labels : Show Labels
ilogic.treeeditor : :
iLogic.Trigger : iTrigger : iTrigger
iLogic.XmlExport : Export to XML : Export to XML
iLogic.XmlImport : Import from XML : Import from XML

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

johnster100 — Fri, 09 Sep 2022 11:08:46 GMT

any update on this? I'm facing the exact same issue 😞

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

TONELLAL — Tue, 14 May 2024 15:41:16 GMT

Same thing for me, 2 years later...
Always no improvements ?

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

Frederick_Law — Tue, 14 May 2024 16:30:40 GMT

Don't think so.

App run outside IV processing and memory space. It'll always be slower.

https://help.autodesk.com/view/INVNTOR/2023/ENU/?guid=GUID-4939ABD1-A15E-473E-9376-D8208EC029EB

ilogic, addin and macro run inside IV.

Converting iLogic to VB.Net shouldn't be difficult. Most of it is VB code.

I've converted all my macro to addin.

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

TONELLAL — Tue, 14 May 2024 17:04:23 GMT

I have a current VBA macro like this :

Sub bt_Extraire_Click() ExportPartsBOM End Sub

The workflow is :

-from the iLogic browser : right click "Run all rules"

-run the macro

So I've modified the macro :

Sub bt_Extraire_Click() ThisApplication.CommandManager.ControlDefinitions.Item("iLogic.RegenAllRules").Execute ExportPartsBOM End Sub

And now... The execution of the rules take several minutes, instead of some seconds !

Re: Running iLogic rules from .net app is extremely slow

Frederick_Law — Tue, 14 May 2024 17:25:26 GMT

Yes, it is slow. We all know it. It can't be faster. Use something else.

That's why I converted all my macros to Addin. Since at least IV2012.

I've been using iLogic for 2 years and again I found the need to go to Addin.