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Multiple components with older versions reference

Bert_Bimmel — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 06:54:51 GMT

Hi everybody

recently, Inventor presented the following Message to me for the very first time in decades:

This is the German version of this Dialog:

https://help.autodesk.com/view/INVNTOR/2016/ENU/?guid=GUID-FBDDA47F-6F58-4150-B9DC-C82C3060EC0B

This dialog is totally self explanatory, and the issue that it describes happens allmost every day, but the message I always get in this situation (with only one exepction in all the years) is this one...

(file 11xxx-111-03.ipt not up2date)

... which is everything else but self explanatory.

The link that I posted above is the description that applies to Inventor 2016 (according to itself), and I found it via Google.

I cannot find the description in inside my offline-Help for Inventor 2020 (which has produced the first screenshot in this post).

My question is now: Under which circumstances do I get the first message instead of the second one? I tried to provoke getting the first one, but 'could'nt figure out how... As mentioned above: no matter what I do, when someone else has saved a file that i have opened earlier before, i still do always get the second, less helpful message.

Greetings, Bert

Re: Multiple components with older versions reference

Gabriel_Watson — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 13:07:33 GMT

Are you working with a network project or Vault?
Long shot, but perhaps there are legacy check outs on the files. I am thinking this probably is not on the new help pages because legacy projects were no longer the norm after 2016 or so.
I would try running the following iLogic to remove reservations under all your assembly and its components, as explained here:
https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Inventor-Files-are-checked-out-to-another-user.html?fbclid=IwAR0OUX-0ZfnvnINYrpSmyR_LGLKIwfpm3YHaOmJSgCi2XuFL-ulNeUqWxjs
(check for the item saying "To use iLogic to automate this use this iLogic rule to remove the reservation from the opened assembly and components (details can be found here iLogic: To Use Rule Wizwards ):" ).

Re: Multiple components with older versions reference

Bert_Bimmel — Tue, 04 Oct 2022 14:41:31 GMT

You are talking about these iProps, right?

(these properties control the "ReservedForWrite"-Stuff...)

I know how to remove them, but this has nothing to do with this, as the file, that threw the once-in-a-million-times-message was pretty new.

And to answer your initial question: we are working with a networkproject ... all the time. And by the time we were using vautl-projects, the familiar message popped up occasionally too, when people have clicked away the warning that the vault is going to overwrite their local changes too fast - but never the unfamiliar one. So that doesn't seem to be the clue either.

Re: Multiple components with older versions reference

johnsonshiue — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 00:01:19 GMT

Hi Bert,

Please bear with me. If I understood the dialog correctly, this should mean that the file you already open in Inventor has a newer version on disk. For example, you open Part1.ipt on your machine. Another Part1.ipt (newer time stamp) has been copied over to the Part1.ipt on your machine.

This can happen in PDM workflows (Vault). To reload the file from disc (you may lose your edit to the file), go to File -> Manage -> Refresh. Inventor will close the file in the memory and reopen the one from disk.

Many thanks!

Re: Multiple components with older versions reference

Bert_Bimmel — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 06:17:03 GMT

Hi Johnson,

yes, I know what it means, how it can happen, and how to deal with it. The point was: Apparently there are two different dialogs for the same situation: The first one creating a riddle to those users who don't know what Inventor wants to say, the other one presenting a well undertandable explanation plus some helpful Information (who did it and when) and offers some options how to deal with the situation (overwrite y/n?).

Unfortunately, I have seen the first one a million times, the second one once(!) in two decades of using Inventor.

Again: My question is: Which circumstances must be fulfilled that the the second (helpful) dialog appears instead of the first (cryptic) one?.

Re: Multiple components with older versions reference

johnsonshiue — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 23:33:46 GMT

Hi Bert,

I am sorry I don't know the answer to your question. I think it might be a bug by itself, particularly it only happens rarely.

Many thanks!