topic Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context in Inventor Forum

Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Thu, 10 Aug 2023 00:08:40 GMT

Seeming randomly, Inventor loses the ability to double-click to open sub-assemblies/parts in context and instead opens them in a new tab. This behavior is not linked to any particular assembly and file size is not correlated. How do I force it to always open in context when double-clicking?

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

CCarreiras — Thu, 10 Aug 2023 09:43:01 GMT

Hi!

Are you sure that the part you double click in assembly context, isn't already open in other tab?

What Inventor version are you using?
Have you installed all the updates for that version?

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:31:18 GMT

I am 100% sure that it's not open in another tab. Even if it was, I would expect to still be able to edit in context.

Build: 521, Release: 2022.5

This was happening long before any updates.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

CCarreiras — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:08:04 GMT

No, it's not true...
If the part is already open, you can't edit it in assembly context, you have to close it.

As you can see, the edit is disable for parts already opened:

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:31:28 GMT

This response doesn't make any sense. I said I expect it to allow me to edit in context no matter what because forcing the user to go to an existing tab is stupid when I can just click that tab to go to it. I know this is not true and I'm criticizing Inventor.

Anyway, that's not the point of this thread. I will just lose the ability to edit in context regardless of whether or not the part is open in a tab. That's the problem I need to fix.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

kacper.suchomski — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:48:21 GMT

Can you record your workflow?

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:53:01 GMT

There is nothing to it:

1) Open any assembly

2) Double-click a part or sub-assembly

3) Repeat on varying parts or sub-assemblies until it suddenly opens in a new tab

I haven't noticed any correlating actions.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

kacper.suchomski — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:56:42 GMT

Please record your screen.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

karthur1 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 18:32:00 GMT

I am using Inventor 2022.4 and I have seen this randomly happen. The only way to resolve this is to close Inventor and restart, then all is back to normal. Have not been able to nail down "why", but it happens.

Just like it randomly switch the sketch dimensions to show as "Tolerance" instead of "Value". No big deal, but it randomly happens.

Kirk

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:04:34 GMT

I guess all we can do is keep complaining until it reaches critical mass.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

johnsonshiue — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:40:33 GMT

Hi! I believe you are seeing a limitation in Inventor Model States. When a subassembly or a part has multiple Model States and more than one Model State is opened in the memory already (consumed by the assembly), the edit-in-place operation could be blocked. Instead, the file will be opened in its own window. This is because the higher level Model State cannot properly capture the operations happening within edit-in-place. Also, not two Model States can be edited at the same time (they can be saved though).

Many thanks!

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 22:45:30 GMT

It seems like this was supposed to be resolved already.

https://www.autodesk.com/support/technical/article/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Edit-button-is-grayed-out-in-the-Inventor-2022-assembly-for-a-part-which-was-opened-separately.html

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

johnsonshiue — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 23:13:12 GMT

Hi! The description of the issue in the article could be a bit overly simplified. I think my description above is still valid. Before the fix, anytime when you tried editing a component in non-Primary Model State, the component document window would be open.

Now the fixed behavior is that regardless of which Model State is active, edit-in-place should be allowed. However, if there are multiple Model States consumed by the assembly (loaded in the memory), the same rule shall apply.

Many thanks!

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 23:17:38 GMT

So the issue is not fully solved, then.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Thu, 17 Aug 2023 17:30:39 GMT

This is still happening with sub-assemblies that have no other instances in the super-assembly. If I understood you correctly, this bug only occurs if there are multiple instances of the sub-assembly and any of them are in different model states. That is never the case for me.

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

johnsonshiue — Fri, 18 Aug 2023 03:15:40 GMT

Hi! If possible, please share an example that exhibits the behavior with me directly johnson.shiue@autodesk.com. I would like to understand why when there is only one Model State active (no other consumed Model States), Edit-in-Place is still blocked.

Many thanks!

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

karthur1 — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 19:09:09 GMT

Ran across an assembly that is doing this. Recorded a video of what I am seeing.

I closed the assembly and reopened it. Now I can open the subassy in the context of the iam. Before I could only open the sub iam in its own window.

https://screenpal.com/watch/c0jTqfVpAvS

Hope this helps.

Kirk

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

johnsonshiue — Fri, 25 Aug 2023 21:02:14 GMT

Hi Kirk,

If possible, please send me the files directly johnson.shiue@autodesk.com. The behavior does not look right. There could be corruption leading Inventor to believe there are multiple Model States loaded at the same time. I would like to understand the behavior better.

Many thanks!

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

karthur1 — Tue, 29 Aug 2023 14:01:23 GMT

I can't make it repeat this on demand. When this happens, I close the assembly and then open it up again, then it works fine. I can send you the files in this assembly, but no guarantee that you will see this happen.

Kirk

Re: Force Always Open Subassembly/Part In Context

cstarker6VCG4 — Tue, 29 Aug 2023 15:45:20 GMT

What karthur1 is describing is exactly what I am experiencing. Create an assembly with parts with different model states. Keep adding parts and set them to a non-master model state and soon you will lose the ability to in-context edit parts.