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Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:08:07 GMT

Hi everyone,

We recently purchased a 4 axis plasma table. We are hoping to be able to cope the ends of tubes utilizing the 4th axis. The CAM program supplied with the machine wants a flat drawing (which it will then wrap around the tube) of what will be cut.

My first thought was to convert the tube to sheet metal and then create a flat pattern or unfold it. But every time I convert to sheet metal it converts the end face of the tube, not the surface around the tube. The picture below is a very basic cope on the end of a 1 inch tube. The highlighted face is what it always ends up converting rather than the entire outside of the tube.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

kelly.young — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:42:42 GMT

Hello @Anonymous I see that you are visiting as a new member to the Inventor Forum.
Welcome to the Autodesk Community!

It sounds like you want the outside edge of the coped tube for the flat pattern.

In the Flat Pattern Environment you can RMB on the flat face and Export Face As... to generate a .dxf file for use with the plasma.

Depending on what it imports this might need post processing.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 00:56:47 GMT

WOW! That screencast thing is amazing! That video is very helpful!

Looks like the rib might take a little bit out of the profile, but I am sure that I will find an easy fix for that. Most likely choose a spot on the end that is flat and just manually redraw the line. That is, if the kerf of the plasma cutter doesn't just cut there anyway.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

kelly.young — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:14:13 GMT

@Anonymous yeah, that was the part that I didn't know, how the plasma reads the line data and where it goes.

You can download the screencast, it's free.

It also works for any program so you can switch between windows and whatever program is active it will record.

I would assume that the outside edge is the line where the cut goes, would be interested to see how it cuts.

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Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 01:20:18 GMT

You mentioned that you weren't quite sure what we were using this for. If you are interested, there is a short video below of a system someone else is using specifically for tube notching. We will be using our machine to notch tubes for SAE Baja, Formula SAE, and Nasa moonbuggy teams at our college. This method should be much faster, more accurate, and easier than all of our other methods.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

kelly.young — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 06:23:43 GMT

@Anonymous that's a pretty sweet setup. What are you looking to get out of Inventor other than the coping cut, simulation or animation as well?

There is a much better way of getting the line you need than I initially showed using surfaces or a 3D Sketch or split at plane might work though one wall.

Friday Challenge: what's the best way to do this?

If anyone reading feels like joining in, post your .ipt attempt, I've got a few ideas brewing.

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Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

SEANT61 — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 07:37:26 GMT

Not necessarily an IPT attempt, but here is something to consider.

Lacking that fifth axis, a 4 axis setup as shown in the video will only make perpendicular cuts. The inside tube face, then, becomes more important. The resultant gaps (see screencast) may even assist welding.

The process becomes slightly more complex, and more critical, once non-perpendicular mating angles are addressed.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

SEANT61 — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:06:20 GMT

http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/showthread.php?67512-Creating-tube-miter-correctly&s=fcabf75c5e53b4a2358ccba7f92e4762

had a similar discussion.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

S_May — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:27:38 GMT

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:43:47 GMT

In your video you mentioned using the rip tool. It seems like it would be an easy solution except I can't get it to work. Most of our tubes already have a plane running through them lengthwise, so split at plane might be an easy solution. My Inventor skills don't extend much past the basic 3d modeling tools, yet.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:04:46 GMT

I've been playing with the split tool and using a plane, but haven't come up with a way to only split one side. Since it splits at the plane it splits the tube in two. When I go to make a flat pattern it wants the part to be turned into a component, which removes the split sections. I tried using a sketch, but it somehow did the same thing even though the sketch only goes through one side of the tube.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

JDMather — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:08:35 GMT

Attach your file here and I will create video demonstrating the correct way to solve this problem.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 18:13:58 GMT

An example tube file is attached below.

Thanks for the help!

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

JDMather — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:01:55 GMT

This is the basic method.

I often use Frame Generator or Multi-body solids and then Derived Components which is a slightly different method based on this method.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:13:48 GMT

I hadn't even thought about making the cuts perpendicular for the cutter. We have always used hole saws or insert endmills that cut exactly like the drawing. Just a lot more trial and error with that.

Thanks for the video, it was very helpful!

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

JDMather — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:20:48 GMT

Oops, when you posted this I assumed you were using the same process.

I have seen some people use hand grinder to cope ends and needed a paper template to wrap around the pipe. In that case, the process would be to use the Outside rather than Inside and Thicken only by thickness of sheet of paper template.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

Anonymous — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:23:14 GMT

We are going to be using the same method as shown in the image you posted. Our machine just hasn't arrived yet. I'm just working ahead to get the drawings and software stuff figured out. That way we can hit the ground running instead of having a huge learning curve with the machine sitting idle.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

S_May — Fri, 12 Jan 2018 19:30:27 GMT

beautifully explained

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

SEANT61 — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 07:42:06 GMT

With the available CNC capability, why not process for indexing? This may minimize the need for custom weld jigs.

If the cutting equipment allows for "Shadowing", the Mating IDs could even be etched at the appropriate locations.

Re: Creating flat drawing of tube

S_May — Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:59:22 GMT

Hi @Anonymous,

here ilogic controlled

step 1

step 2

step 3 DXF to laser cutter