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Replace derived part

MikeKovacik4928 — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:47:30 GMT

Hi all

Is it possible in an ipt file where you have started off bringing in a part as a derived part and then working on it,

to replace that derived part with another. In other words something like a part replace in iam or a model replace in idw

Mike Kovacik

South Africa

Re: Replace derived part

CGBenner — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:30:14 GMT

@MikeKovacik4928

Let me try to understand the workflow so far. You created a new part, derived a different part into it, and then began to modify the derived part? Or were you modifying the parent part which was derived? Is the link to the parent part still active?

You could simply delete the derive, and start over deriving a different part or assembly.

Re: Replace derived part

Cadmanto — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 12:59:31 GMT

If what I think you are talking about, is represented in the attached link.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor/learn-explore/caas/screencast/Main/Details/f70889d5-9715-46b0-bef6-d61996da82f4.html

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Re: Replace derived part

johnsonshiue — Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:21:05 GMT

Hi Mike,

Unfortunately no, there is no way to replace derive source part. The reason is that more than likely all the downstream features you created on top of the derived body will fail. You might as well just create a new part.

Some users do try to resolve the source part to a different ipt file (move the original source ipt somewhere Inventor cannot find and select a new source on Resolve). This will only work if the old source ipt and new source ipt share the same internal document ID. Two files share the ID if they were copied or saved as. If the two source parts were created from scratch, their document IDs will be different and Resolve will not let you pick the new file.

Many thanks!

Re: Replace derived part

IgorMir — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 03:15:06 GMT

It might work if the same geometry (or the shape of it) is used. But you can not replace a derived part with another one, of a different shape. I have just created a simple example for myself. One derived part is a rectangular and another (which I want to use as a replacement) is a triangular one. No go at all while trying to replace one for the other using DA.

Frankly - I didn't expect it to work anyway. And in Peter's example it is not quite clear - how did he create the substitute part onto begin with. Did he copy the first one and than just have changed parameters in it?

I can replace derived iPart's child in the file with another factory child but that's a different ball game all together.

Attached are three files in IV2020 format if someone wants to play with them the way Peter was showing in his video.

Cheers,

Igor.

@Cadmanto wrote:

If what I think you are talking about, is represented in the attached link.

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/inventor/learn-explore/caas/screencast/Main/Details/f70889d5-9715-46b0-bef6-d61996da82f4.html

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Re: Replace derived part

MikeKovacik4928 — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 07:28:55 GMT

Hi Johnson

Thank you for that answer along with the reason.

Might investigate a different method

Mike

Re: Replace derived part

MikeKovacik4928 — Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:50:09 GMT

Thanks Scott

Fantastic!

I have Inventor 2018 at home with design assistant.

At work Inventor 2020 with Vault

Does vault also have this function?

Mike

Re: Replace derived part

Cadmanto — Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:11:20 GMT

Mike,

Vault has the copy design function and with that you can create new files and keep the links that brings.

With derived parts I am not sure, because I have never swapped out a derived part before. But, if it is an exact, then I would think it could be used to get what you are looking for.

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Re: Replace derived part

MikeKovacik4928 — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 05:45:24 GMT

Scott

This is not possible in Inventor, apparently possible in Design assistant, but I was trying to find a way of doing it using Vault which we are using.

I have look extensively at trying to replace the derived part only in Vault, also using the copy design function to try and do it. Failed dismally, I couldn't find any way of doing it. The time I am spending trying to find this shortcut to something which doesn't take that long anyway to do, is now far outweighing, any benefits I might get if I found a solution, so I will now end my experimentation.

If anyone does know how to do it in Vault or finds a way of doing it, in the future, I would still be interested in knowing

Mike Kovacik

South Africa

Mike