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Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Fri, 02 Oct 2020 15:08:52 GMT

I have a couple of questions about work planes.

1. I have an assembly and a part file that behave differently. In the assembly, I can resize a work plane and drag a corner of a work plane to resize and only that end moves. But in the part file, the other end resizes symmetrically. What determines the different behavior?

2. I received an assembly with some existing work planes. When I select one, the label resizes and is visible at all zoom scales. But with subsequent work planes that I have added, the label size is fixed and I have to zoom in to see it. What determines the different behavior?

TIA

Re: Questions about work planes

Cadmanto — Fri, 02 Oct 2020 15:17:13 GMT

There was a similar thread just recently that covered this same topic.

Take a look through it and see if it doesn't answer your questions.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/inventor-forum/adjusting-the-size-of-work-planes-in-an-assembly/m-p/9776417#M803634

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Re: Questions about work planes

johnsonshiue — Fri, 02 Oct 2020 16:02:42 GMT

Hi Ed,

The dragging behavior should be the same. When dragging an assembly workplane, did you select Feature Priority (as opposed to default Component Priority)?

Many thanks!

Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 14:53:30 GMT

Hi @Cadmanto , The problem wasn't that I can't resize a workplane, but a question about the difference in behavior.

Re: Questions about work planes

CGBenner — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 15:17:16 GMT

@Ed__Jobe

I think for #2, a screen shot of the different label sizes might be helpful.

For #1... so you are saying that in the Assembly, the plane grows from a "locked" corner, whereas in the part the plane grows from a "locked" center point? Is that correct?

Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 15:24:18 GMT

Thanks Johnson. Today I can't remember which file had the symmetrical behavior. But I was looking at different files and some have a long menu like Priority1.png. Others have a short menu like Priority2.png. Another difference I can't find an explanation for. I believe it's because the short version is in an ipt. When it has the short menu, it just says Select Features, not Select Feature Priority and I am unable to stretch the work plane. I also discovered that the wp has to have the Visibilty attribute set in order to resize it.

Priority1Priority2

Any idea's on Question 2?

Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 15:29:34 GMT

Thanks @CGBenner For #2, the problem seems to have gone away. Today when I open the ipt, isn't doing it. Maybe I just needed to save the file after creating the work planes.

Yes you could say that the symmetrical one was changing based upon a locked point. I said "arbitrary" because I couldn't tell where the symmetry point was. Just that when I stretched the left side, the right side grew by the same amount.

Re: Questions about work planes

johnsonshiue — Tue, 06 Oct 2020 22:59:03 GMT

Hi Ed,

I think the difference is indeed due to different environment. The Select Priority menu on the left is for assembly, while the one on the right is for part.

Regarding the difference between label, I think Auto-Resize may play a role here. For the fixed ones, I assume Auto-Resize was off (right-click on the workplane -> Auto-Resize). And, the adjusting ones have the option checked.

However, I cannot seem to see the difference. What is the Annotation Scale set to (Tools -> App Options -> General)?

Many thanks!

Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 14:07:07 GMT

Thanks @johnsonshiue I think I have most of it answered except why do some work planes adjust symmetrically instead of just the corner I'm dragging?

Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 15:39:42 GMT

Attached is a sample file with symmetrical work planes.

Re: Questions about work planes

SBix26 — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:13:17 GMT

Assembly workplanes adjust symmetrically (i.e. they cannot be "moved", only stretched). Part workplanes can be moved and adjusted in size. Even though they're named the same and look the same, assembly workplanes are a different sort of beast than part workplanes.

@johnsonshiue , can you explain this better? I seem to recall that I learned this from you...

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Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:21:39 GMT

If that's true, then I may have to keep work planes in a ipt and insert them into the assembly as a work around.

Re: Questions about work planes

SBix26 — Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:25:43 GMT

That's probably a better solution anyway. Assembly workplanes are more like components than they are like part workplanes, with constraints to manage and with the inability to change their center location.

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Re: Questions about work planes

johnsonshiue — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 00:02:09 GMT

Hi Sam,

I think I might have spread some false information. Assembly work geometry can be stretched or resized just like part work geometry. The difference is that at assembly level, you will need to change Select Priority to Feature or Face/Edge so that you can stretch it. It is because at assembly level, the default Select Priority is Component. At part level, it is implicitly enabled.

Regarding the difference between assembly work geometry and part work geometry, it is more about internal classification. Assembly work geometry is indeed like a component. There is no order of creation and it is largely driven by assembly constraints. Part work geometry is more like a feature. There is strict order of creation. And, it is driven by features (and parent features). The difference has nothing to do with the ability to stretch or resize.

Many thanks!

Re: Questions about work planes

johnsonshiue — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 00:01:20 GMT

Hi Ed,

I cannot explain the symmetric stretch (assembly) vs corner stretch (part). It seems like a designed behavior. It has been working like this.

Many thanks!

Re: Questions about work planes

Ed__Jobe — Fri, 09 Oct 2020 14:02:19 GMT

Thanks for all your help.