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What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:35:11 GMT

I have an issue with frame generator that gives me an error message when I save them. This seems to stem from the Skeleton model getting a iLogic code that I use in my template, that runs everytime before I save. This code end up in the skeleton parts, which are "locked" and hence throw errors when the code runs in it, trying to change stuff.

I cant seem to figure out which part the Skeleton uses as a template, can someone please tell me this?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Frederick_Law — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 13:57:09 GMT

It should use Standard.ipt or Standard.iam.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

johnsonshiue — Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:10:28 GMT

Hi Folks,

I don't believe the skeletal part is from Standard templates. It is actually not based on a template. It is probably based on the family template from the first selected frame member.

I need to check with the project team to say it for sure.

Many thanks!

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 06:12:01 GMT

Please do and get back to me, this creates issues for my entire company.

Have a nice day.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

SharkDesign — Wed, 28 Apr 2021 09:00:39 GMT

Can you include a line in your ilogic that skips parts with the word Skeleton in them?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Wed, 05 May 2021 08:26:12 GMT

I thought about that, but its sub-optimal. A lot of our subcontractors use skeleton in naming. A bunch of old templates etc frequently use Skeleton, as well as customer supplied stuff.
Adding such lines would make the code not run in parts where it should run. While I could make workarounds to make it clearer which parts would be affected, that would be workarounds for a workaround instead of fixing the main issue.

Have you got anything on what the skeleton uses as a template?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

jan_priban — Thu, 06 May 2021 14:49:30 GMT

Hello

FG Skeleton is IPT based on default IPT template where selected entities (entities they FG frames are placed on) are copied into. So if you place an iLogic rule into default IPT /Part template then FG skeleton has the same iLogic rule.

I am from Europe so I use [mm] template, so for me FG skeleton is based on (derived from) :

Regards

Jan Priban

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Fri, 07 May 2021 06:01:21 GMT

So its based off the .ipt from the first frame generator component I put into the assembly?

Basically using the beam/pipe/etc as a template for the skeleton file?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Fri, 07 May 2021 07:16:48 GMT

I tested this and even when I use FG components that dont have the code in them, and base it on a sketch from a part without the code, the skeleton still ends up with the code in it. So it has to use something else as a template.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Fri, 07 May 2021 07:17:17 GMT

Any updates?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

jan_priban — Fri, 07 May 2021 07:17:33 GMT

Hello,

no, FG skeleton is based on

"c:\Users\Public\Documents\Autodesk\Inventor 2021\Templates\en-US\Standard.ipt"

Regards

Jan Priban

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Fri, 07 May 2021 11:55:28 GMT

Oh, sorry. I must have missunderstood you. I will check this. Thanks.

EDIT:
Went through those files and none of them have my code in it. So it cant get it from them.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

amber.hady — Tue, 11 May 2021 11:37:45 GMT

@jan_priban What if that location does not contain any templates? Then what will FG use for the skeleton template?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

jan_priban — Tue, 11 May 2021 12:03:43 GMT

Hello,

#1 I created IPT without template

#2 I created IAM without template and placed IPT #1 into this IAM

Then I placed a frame by FG to get skeleton + save assembly. When I opened skeleton file, rule from default IPT template was there (in skeleton file) - rule can be run in skeleton file, but can't be edited

Regards

Jan Priban

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Frederick_Law — Tue, 11 May 2021 13:44:12 GMT

Inventor has "internal" template when it cannot find template.

It is also default template for some commands even user has specified template.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Mon, 24 May 2021 08:40:38 GMT

I checked all the files in that folder and none of them has any code in them. It cant be them it uses as template.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Thu, 27 May 2021 12:39:04 GMT

Any update from the project team?

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

jan_priban — Thu, 27 May 2021 14:24:41 GMT

Hello

When I deleted iLogic rule from my default IPT template then all new FG skeleton files are without any rule. I still thing rule in Skeleton is coming from default part template file.

Jan Priban

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 07:56:34 GMT

I'm not saying youre wrong but I checked every part file in the folder you pasted and none of those has the code in it, I also havent added the code to anything outside our own templates, so I dont see why or how it could get in there.
We have also used this code for a couple of years and this error message didnt appear until Inventor 2021.

Re: What does "Skeleton" use as template file?

Tigerpirro — Tue, 01 Jun 2021 08:32:06 GMT

Never mind, I figured it out, kinda. We have a folder for our templates, so I added a empty part file named "Standard" to that folder and now the Skeleton grabs that.
We didnt have any file named Standard in our template folder before. So the solution is that I have to add a empty file named Standard to all our (customer specific) template folders, which will invariably lead to people using the wrong template files.
I still dont know which file the Skeleton part actually grabbed as a Template, when we didnt have a Standard.ipt. Is there any way that the Skeleton file could use something else as a template or a built in blank file? Its kind of a dumb to have a system that randomly grabs someting and uses it as a template when it SPECIFICALLY needs a blank part.
In my humble opinion, that should be treated as a bug.