topic Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying in Fusion Support Forum

Physical Material and Appearance not applying

Careless_ — Tue, 05 May 2020 03:48:23 GMT

I've tested with a number of different projects and different files just now.

When I right click on a component to select "Physical Material" or "Appearance" and apply my preferred options to a selected component, upon clicking "close" at the bottom of the dialog box, the properties are reset and the component goes back, to being its generic material/appearance gray colour.

Wasn't there an OK button before?

Applying Black Opaque Plastic property.

After clicking "close"

You can see the object returns to normal. No component color toggling is enabled. I have not changed any settings in F360 for quite a long time now.

This happens at the component, body, and assembly level. No change in appearance after the dialog is closed.

In the above screenshots, the component was Derived into the current assembly.

If I go back into to the original component file and change the properties, the same thing happens; shown below.

The properties ARE changed, but the appearance is not.

I simply cannot change the appearance of components anymore. Is there a viewport setting that controls this?

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

jeff_strater — Tue, 05 May 2020 14:43:34 GMT

@Careless_ - can you share that model here? I don't have any immediate explanation for what you are seeing, so I'd like to try it myself. Are you applying the appearance at a component or body level? If you have time, recording a screencast of what you are doing might also help. Thanks.

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

Careless_ — Tue, 05 May 2020 19:16:52 GMT

Essentially, I tried adding material to the item by dragging onto the component, onto the individual body, every way I know how. I have also tried a few other components as well.

The only common thing that I recall these components having amongst them is that they were restored from a project I put on the back-burner for a year or so (archived on f360).

Applying the same process to another item from a newer (last week) project and component does not have any issues. In fact, even applying materials or appearances to a newly created component in an assembly within this restored archive project does not seem to pose any issue.

If I open the (see attached) model on its own, the same thing happens.

Right Click component or body.
Select "Physical Material" to open the dialog box
Apply a material (Drag/Drop, etc.)
See object change colour/opacity/texture to reflect material appearance.
Click CLOSE
Appearance is gone.
Viewing component properties shows that material is indeed changed, but appearance is lost.

Perhaps something has changed in the way the physical material is saved in newer file or program versions that it will no longer work on these old files?

As per the first post, here is what is going on:

SCREENSHOT 1

The appearance will apply and show up while the dialog box is open.

SCREENSHOT 2

As soon as I click "CLOSE" (which should really have an OK/CANCEL button, tbh), the appearance disappears.

SCREENSHOT 3
As you can see in the last photo, the item has taken on the material properties, but no matter if I change it to Aluminum, Plastic, Glass or whatever is in the list- the appearance of said material is not applied.

I've attached one of the offending files that does not have any discernible features from the design- so I've shared it here as per your request.

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

jeff_strater — Tue, 05 May 2020 22:38:20 GMT

I can see what is going on, and admit that this is confusing. Here's the basic thing: Appearance overrides physical material. And, this is what you want to happen (so you can "paint" a steel part to be blue, or even just some faces). It just happens that the body in this component has an appearance applied (Plastic - Matte (Gray)) that was overriding the physical material. If you remove the appearance override, you will again see the physical material:

The Physical Material command also further confuses things because it temporarily suppresses appearances during the command, so that you can see the physical material being applied. But, this is confusing because as soon as you hit OK, the appearance is un-suppressed.

There is also a utility that I like from @prainsberry built that I love: https://github.com/tapnair/AppearanceUtility This utility shows all the appearance overrides for the entire model, and lets you selectively turn them on and off.

here is a screencast that shows all this:

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

jeff_strater — Tue, 05 May 2020 22:51:04 GMT

well, I had a nice reply to this, but it seems as if the spam filter has eaten it. I'll try to get it restored...

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

jeff_strater — Tue, 05 May 2020 23:47:32 GMT

OK, going to try again. Hopefully this one goes through... We may end up with two of these, sorry

the basic problem is that this body has both a physical material and an appearance. Appearance has a higher priority (which is what you want, since you can think of it as painting over the base material). The Physical Material command further confuses this issue by temporarily suspending the appearance during the command. But, when you exit, the appearance comes back. The way around it is to remove the appearance:

there is a nice utility that @prainsberry built that I use all the time to debug appearance issues. you can find it here: AppearanceUtility . The screencast below shows both ways of doing this:

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

Careless_ — Wed, 06 May 2020 04:02:08 GMT

Excellent, I'll give it a shot. Thanks!

Maybe one of those little pop-up boxes in the bottom right corner to alert the user that there is an appearance override active would be a simple way to avoid confusion?

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

Careless_ — Wed, 06 May 2020 05:09:52 GMT

Just tried both methods.

Seems to work quite well.

Thanks again.

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

gts9198 — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 05:00:48 GMT

the way this program deals with anything is cancer. its 2022 and the options in this forum are simply non existent, unbelievable. have to be a long time user just to understand this quirky junk. so much for being better than solid works.

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

Careless_ — Sun, 27 Mar 2022 08:07:08 GMT

well it seems like my suggestion above about a notification or even maybe a paintbrush icon next to the component/body name in the component tree on the left of the viewport to signify an appearance change is applied/active seems to be a good solution to me but I'm not sure what the dev team is up to lately, so I dunno what to tell ya.

the program has gotten a lot better... but its the little things...

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

monkeysZ9UQU — Mon, 07 Nov 2022 10:13:09 GMT

Found similar behaviour in 2022.
Eventually figured out that if the body is not a part of a component, it will show the Physical Material/Appearance of the root object.
Edit the Physical material or appearance of the root object, or turn your body into a component and then change it.

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

erikcandersen — Sat, 25 Mar 2023 20:20:59 GMT

Thank you Jeff for a very good write-up on this topic. I agree very confusing. I spent a few hours trying to figure out why I could set materials, but then later could not change... Appreciate the detailed reply to the user's question.

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

bww001 — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:02:46 GMT

Did not work for me. All my previous model and current model. The model appears as line drawing with white background. No mater what material I tried to drag and drop onto the model, nothing changes. Do not see the feature you circled on the drop down menu. Is my Fusion 360 corrupted in some way?

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

g-andresen — Sun, 10 Mar 2024 12:17:22 GMT

Hi,

you´re in wireframe mode > select a shaded view

günther

Re: Physical Material and Appearance not applying

bww001 — Tue, 12 Mar 2024 08:36:17 GMT

Thank you so much. I was at my wits end trying to figure out what happened.

Again, thank you.