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Help with Bridgeport Post

skiptonsheetmetal — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:18:44 GMT

I'm having trouble with running a post with a drilling cycle, wondering if anyone could de-bug it for me. I've attached the post processor, the log file and the file. The machine is a Bridgeport running EZ trak dx. I've managed to post and run files to the machine, this is the first time attempting a drill cycle.

Thanks

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

seth.madore — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:32:48 GMT

That's quite the old post you've got there (from 2016 by the looks of it). Would you consider going the slightly easier route and adopting the use of the new Bridgeport post processor?

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

CNC_Lee — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 13:59:46 GMT

@skiptonsheetmetal

If the generic posts are not providing the required output, I offer post processor development services and happy to work out a solution for your machine! Message me if I can be of further assistance.

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

skiptonsheetmetal — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 19:25:30 GMT

It was the first post processor that I found to be able to talk to the EZtrak system I tried the generic conversational post for EZtrak but the mill wouldn't open the files. After a bit of a search on the forums I found the post I attached above so went with it. I have just tried the new post processor that you listed above and so far that seems to work. I haven't tried running anything complex, but it did run a drilling cycle test so it is promising. I'll hopefully get more time to play tomorrow. Thanks

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

skiptonsheetmetal — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 19:27:54 GMT

I have been playing with the more up to date post and so far so good. I have found something in the nc post that is confusing me, where a new tool is called up, the immediate line following is a different tool number, I've pasted a snippet below. Can anybody explain why this line of text is in there?

'2D Adaptive5';
N12T5M6
N13T4
N14S2000M3
N15G90G44G17
N16M8

I've not noticed anything strange happen on the machine, just strange to see that line of text in the code.

Thanks

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

seth.madore — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 20:39:47 GMT

That is the "next tool pre-call". Most modern machines that have a side-mount tool magazine also have the ability to stage the next tool and this allows for some time savings when running parts. If you have an umbrella style carousel, you wouldn't be able to do a pre-call. This should be an option in the post, called "preload tool". Set it to "no" and that will go away.

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

skiptonsheetmetal — Tue, 03 Oct 2023 21:37:18 GMT

Aha, that makes sense. We certainly don't have a tool changer on our year 2000 Bridgeport 😄

I'll look into the post file tomorrow and try tweak it. Next question while we're talking about post processors, is it possible to set a max line number at which point it automatically puts a program stop in, and then creates a new program to follow on. Basically, the post processor will get to a max line number or 9999 at which point it starts again, however the machine will only run another 2000 lines before automatically stopping, presumably a memory issue. I was hoping that I could post process 9999 lines into one program, then a second program would start, following on from where it left off. The latest program I've been trying has 40,000 lines pretty much so I am manually splitting it into 4 programs. (I've already had to post out some of the operations on a second post due to it being to big for the floppy disk file)

Long winded message I'm afraid, hopefully someone will make sense of it. Thanks

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

seth.madore — Wed, 04 Oct 2023 20:31:34 GMT

It makes sense, but I'm not aware of a method off hand that would do what you're looking (although I do suspect it's possible). For program size, use Smoothing on any Adaptive or 3D toolpath and that will knock down the line count a large bit.

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

HughesTooling — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 07:46:33 GMT

@skiptonsheetmetal You might want to look at adding a G09 at the start of adaptive toolpaths to turn off exact stop mode. Looking at my post I have it after each G0 so not sure if a rapid disables it. If not you'd need a G08 at the end of the adaptive op. You might even need the do a G08 G09 before and after each G00 in the adaptive op. I only have a 2 axis EZTrak so don't need to worry about rapid Z moves being rounded.

Mark

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

skiptonsheetmetal — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 09:13:49 GMT

@HughesTooling thanks for the information. What does it achieve having the G08 or G09 in the code? And how would I input that into the post. Very much new to all this so it's all learning.

Thanks

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

programming2C78B — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 10:37:48 GMT

keep in mind you can also use a 2D contour or Pocket toolpath LIKE an adaptive, but with MUCH smaller code but a pretty similar toolpath.

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

HughesTooling — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 11:22:59 GMT

@skiptonsheetmetal wrote:

@HughesTooling thanks for the information. What does it achieve having the G08 or G09 in the code? And how would I input that into the post. Very much new to all this so it's all learning.

Thanks

In G08 (Exact stop) mode the machine pauses at the end of each move. In G09 (Exact stop off) mode the machine doesn't pause and any sharp moves will be rounded and you lose a bit of accuracy but code runs faster. For adaptive changes in direction are smooth and you generally leave some stock so you don't notice any problems with accuracy.

It's a long time since I setup my post but from what I can see it looks like G00 rapid moves cancel the G09 so it needs to be output after each G00.

What I did in my post was create a variable to keep track of the state (G08/G09).

Then in the onLinear function added this.

Then modify onRapid adding GC9 = false. I think the rapid cancels the G09 in the control but you could add a gFormat.format(08) to make sure.

So the line would be.

writeBlock(gMotionModal.format(0), gFormat.format(08), x, y, z);

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

skiptonsheetmetal — Thu, 05 Oct 2023 19:21:51 GMT

@HughesTooling , wow, mind blown 😁

I've read through that and think I've got the gist of what your code is doing, but excuse the inexperienced question, why would I need to put it in? The machine isn't stopping after an adaptive tool path command.

I've attached a picture of what I've managed to machine, not perfect but for only the third thing I've ever machined CNC I'm quite happy. I had to split the NC program into 9 separate programs using notepad to be able to load them onto the Bridgeport (4 on one floppy and 5 on another)

Looking into it now I can see how I could have reduced the code quite dramatically and I will certainly be trying plan future jobs to be less code intense. Would still be nice to have a post processor that will automatically break it up into separate programs over 10,000 lines.

A lot to keep learning.

Re: Help with Bridgeport Post

HughesTooling — Fri, 06 Oct 2023 13:55:20 GMT

@skiptonsheetmetal wrote:

@HughesTooling , wow, mind blown 😁

I've read through that and think I've got the gist of what your code is doing, but excuse the inexperienced question, why would I need to put it in?

You should get a faster and smoother feedrate with the G09 in the code. The exact stop mode will pause after each move, might not notice too much with slower feeds but if you're using an adaptive toolpath with stay down enabled you could use quite high feeds for the no enjoyment feeds.

Did you enable Smoothing to reduce code size? Normally I'd set the tolerance to 0.01 and the smoothing tolerance to 0.015 - 0.03 to get a good reduction in code size.

Mark