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Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Thu, 15 Sep 2016 16:56:43 GMT

Under the "Feeds & Speeds" tab, Is there a reason there are no Cutting, Lead In, Lead Out and Ramp feed rate input boxes for drills or is something amiss?

Re: Tool Library question

martha.deans — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:22:59 GMT

Hi kshea,

Something appears to be amiss. There should be several inputs under Feeds where you can set the various lead-in/out feeds (like what is shown in the screenshot below).

I see you posted this last week - are you still having this issue?

Re: Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:41:00 GMT

I suspected as much, yes, same issue, the F&S's are available for other types, end mills, ball mills, reams etc just not the drills in the local created or current set up libraries.

Also, unable to edit any tool not in the created libraries so don't know about them, can copy from them to a local library or current setup though.

Thanks

Re: Tool Library question

LibertyMachine — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:48:17 GMT

If I may ask, what operation would you expect to be able to apply ramping and lead-in feedrates for a drill? Given the cutting geometry of a drill, you would be somewhat limited to one axis of movement (during cutting operations)

FWIW, as far as I can recall, the drill tab has always had those feedrate options removed and I think this might be the first time I've heard someone ask for them. Just a statement, not a judgement

Re: Tool Library question

matthew.nichols — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 18:51:28 GMT

@LibertyMachine is right. those feeds for lead in's/out's are not available for drills at all. the only option you get is the spindle speed and plunge and retract feeds.

Re: Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:00:17 GMT

Gearsoup, not a one, but thought something wasn't right, it shows the heading just no input boxes.

One could ask your same question for a ream but they are available for them.

Apparently just a incomplete form clean up.

EDIT

Just looked again, one of those missing settings is Cutting feed rate.

Re: Tool Library question

LibertyMachine — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:00:00 GMT

I would fully agree with that question. I think it's unneccesary to have those fields for: Ream, Counterbore, Spot Drill, and Drill. It does seem to be incomplete. Put it on the list 😉

Re: Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 19:16:55 GMT

I see they are using the "Plunge Feed rate" for what I think of as the "Cutting feed rate"

Re: Tool Library question

cj.abraham — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 20:33:51 GMT

As other have said, the drill tool definition does not require cutting or lead feedrates for CAM. Cutting and lead feedrates are considered to be lateral movements (Like in X and Y), and plunge feedrates apply to any vertical movements (drilling, vertical positioning with an endmill, etc.)

Note that in some drilling cycles, there are additional feedrates in the cycle tab that can be adjusted for that particular cycle. (e.g. gun drilling cycle)

Re: Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:19:50 GMT

That clarification clears up the terminology confusion from my other CAD that uses "Plunging rate" as a feed to a predetermined clearance then a Feed Rate for the cutting.

Re: Tool Library question

martha.deans — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:33:40 GMT

Oh man good catch by @LibertyMachine I didn't even think to ask what kind of tool.

Hope all the above answers cleared that up - but I agree @kshea9RNL8, it's confusing to have a header with empty space below

Re: Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Mon, 19 Sep 2016 21:40:27 GMT

Thanks for all the input everyone.

Re: Tool Library question

kshea9RNL8 — Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:54:54 GMT

To bring this up again because AutoDesk's christopher.abraham explanation does not explain the inconsistencies, at least that I understand.

With regards to Drills it been explained that the Plunge Feed being the actual Cutting Feedrate", OK, I bought that but then that does not explain why a spot drill does not use that same "Plunge Feedrate" but instead uses the "Cutting Feedrate" from the tables not shown for "Drills", seems to me it needs to be one way or another, not both depending.... same issue with reams and I suspect counter sinks.

Anyway, now I know so it isn't any issue.

Re: Tool Library question

Steinwerks — Wed, 21 Sep 2016 21:45:44 GMT

The software will let you use spot drills as chamfer mills essentially and deburr parts. This is a holdover from HSMWorks, although I always found it a little funny.

Re: Tool Library question

Steinwerks — Fri, 20 Jan 2017 18:33:07 GMT

This is still an issue after today's update: https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/computer-aided-machining-cam/please-help-chamfer-bug/td-p/6819850

Autodesk needs to either remove these tools from possibility of use in the toolpath OR bring back and allow for lead feedrate overrides from the toolpath to transfer to tool_feedEntry and tool_feedExit.