topic Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean? in Fusion Design, Validate & Document Forum

ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:35:56 GMT

This is pretty exciting. We spent the first part of the year talking with you, our customers, to better understand why and how you use Fusion 360. One thing became clear - our current two-tier product offering (Standard & Ultimate) was a bit confusing and kept some of our newest/advanced technology out of reach for many. For professionals, it also limited your flexibility and access within teams.

Starting October 7, 2018, you’ll be able to access all of the current Fusion 360 functionality from a single product. This means access to generative design (for commercial customers), advanced simulation, 5-axis CAM, and more to come! We’ll be sharing our updated roadmap in the coming weeks, so keep an eye on our blog.

And last, but definitely not least, I want to thank everyone in the community for helping make Fusion what it is today. We know our tools are a big part of your life, and your commitment is what makes this all possible. Whether you’re a commercial user, a startup, hobbyist, student or educator, we’re dedicated to changing the way you make things. As a sign of our appreciation, you’ll notice current subscribers (who sign up prior to October 7) will be taken care of. Want more details about what this means for you specifically? View the recent blog post, visit our product website for all the info, or take a look at our FAQ.

As always, if you have any questions or feedback, let us know!

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

mavigogun — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 20:05:37 GMT

@brianrepp wrote:

As a sign of our appreciation, you’ll notice current subscribers (who sign up prior to October 7) will be taken care of. Want more details about what this means for you specifically? View the recent blog post, visit our product website for all the info, or take a look at our FAQ.

That's a fish hook. Please speak plainly about what you mean by "taken care of" and how that contrasts with post October 7 subscriptions. From the proffered link, the best I can fathom is an intimation that some services- such as Generative Design -may be offered as an add-on for subscribers after that window; is that aspect a correct reading? From one perspective, a subscription incentive in the form of Grandfathered feature inclusion?

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Thu, 06 Sep 2018 20:31:17 GMT

@mavigogun wrote:

@brianrepp wrote:

As a sign of our appreciation, you’ll notice current subscribers (who sign up prior to October 7) will be taken care of. Want more details about what this means for you specifically? View the recent blog post, visit our product website for all the info, or take a look at our FAQ.

That's a fish hook. Please speak plainly about what you mean by "taken care of" and how that contrasts with post October 7 subscriptions. From the proffered link, the best I can fathom is an intimation that some services- such as Generative Design -may be offered as an add-on for subscribers after that window; is that aspect a correct reading? From one perspective, a subscription incentive in the form of Grandfathered feature inclusion?

Sorry to not be explicit, @mavigogun, but I was referencing the grandfathering you speak of. For current ultimate subscribers, rather than just drop the price for something which they just paid $1,500 for, we extended their term 2 years. For standard subscribers, they can continue on at their current price for as long as they renew (rather than get bumped up to the $495 price point upon renewal). For hobbyists, startups, students and educators, we are continuing to offer the same level of free software if the terms are met. I figured it was easiest for people to view the webpage and the interactive table to see what happens for their particular situation.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

mroek — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 10:56:12 GMT

I think all of this looks like a good move on your part, and I am really happy that you did not choose to alienate startups and hobbyists like Onshape has done. In the long term, I think you will benefit from this, getting your software more widespread and talked about.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

CGPM — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 18:19:00 GMT

As I read the webpage you linked to early adopters are going to pay $300 ish, their original price, for as long as we renew?

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Fri, 07 Sep 2018 19:37:32 GMT

@CGPM wrote:

As I read the webpage you linked to early adopters are going to pay $300 ish, their original price, for as long as we renew?

Hey @CGPM - correct. Since you're an Early Adopter, as long as you don't let your subscription lapse you'll continue to pay $300 + 1000 annual cloud credits.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

Anonymous — Sat, 08 Sep 2018 01:48:25 GMT

A lot of early adapters are just hobbyists, and by December will have spent $1200 for the same functionality that they could have had for free.

Their reward is that they get to keep paying $300/year. While the other paying customers get 2 years for free. I don't think that most early adapters feel they are being taken care of.

Gerry

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

CGPM — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 00:39:43 GMT

Your going to complain about $300 a year for this software???? I do concede that as an early adopter I haven't always felt special, but it is hard to complain too much about it.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

CGPM — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 00:46:54 GMT

How about roll-over cloud credits for early adopters? That may be an easy one to make us feel a little more special.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

Anonymous — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 02:20:34 GMT

@brianrepp wrote:
For current ultimate subscribers, rather than just drop the price for something which they just paid $1,500 for, we extended their term 2 years.

Aren't early adopters "current ultimate subscribers"??

We were offered a subscription to "ultimate" at a reduced price, for buying in early.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 04:23:48 GMT

@CGPM - I think the big differentiator for early adopters will continue to be the 1,000 cloud credits each year (which essentially equates to $1k USD). Over time you’ll continue to see more and more unique capability you’ll be able to put those towards, with the flexibility of paying for advanced features only when you need it.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 04:23:02 GMT

@Anonymous - All Early adopters are current subscribers of Ultimate (at a reduced price), but not all current Ultimate subscribers are Early Adopters. Make sense? Is that what you’re asking?

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

daniel_lyall — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 04:41:35 GMT

The fishhook got bigger on this one, it will be good for the home shops.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

Anonymous — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 11:17:51 GMT

No, I'm asking why early adopters are treated differently, when we essentially purchased the same product, but just took advantage of a special offer.

Sorry, not trying to start a fight here.

Gerry

@brianrepp wrote:
@Anonymous- All Early adopters are current subscribers of Ultimate (at a reduced price), but not all current Ultimate subscribers are Early Adopters. Make sense? Is that what you’re asking?

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:47:32 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

No, I'm asking why early adopters are treated differently, when we essentially purchased the same product, but just took advantage of a special offer.

Sorry, not trying to start a fight here.

Gerry

@brianrepp wrote:
@Anonymous- All Early adopters are current subscribers of Ultimate (at a reduced price), but not all current Ultimate subscribers are Early Adopters. Make sense? Is that what you’re asking?

Understand, and nothing to be sorry about! The biggest reason we have kept and will continue to extend the offer to early adopters is that many of you were instrumental in providing feedback and priorities for the early days of Fusion 360. The product, learning / help experiences, and community were also all in the very early stages, and we wouldn't be where we are today without the investment and support of this early community of professionals.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

Fueler — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:20:58 GMT

ehhh, I am on the startup program and anticipate stepping up someday.

Should I be getting the 310.00 program now before the price goes up?

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:20:54 GMT

@Fueler wrote:

ehhh, I am on the startup program and anticipate stepping up someday.

Should I be getting the 310.00 program now before the price goes up?

@Fueler - that's entirely your call, but it's a pretty compelling offer if you expect to continue purchasing F360 moving forward.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

Anonymous — Fri, 14 Sep 2018 23:40:06 GMT

I believe the main benefits Early adopters are getting over people who subscribe before October 7th is the 1000 cloud credits and saving $10 per year ($300 instead of $310 per year). In the years I have been using Fusion, I have never had a reason to use any of the cloud credits.

So my question is, will the cloud credits be useful for any operations other than rendering and generative designs in the future? What else would I be missing out on if I just went with a free startup license(making under 100K per year)?

We have seen this a few times in the past when standard license functionality was raised to the same level as ultimate/early adopter functionality, the main reason I have held on to the early adopter license is because of the extra functionality it was supposed to have over a standard license. The Fusion team has held up their promise of maintaining the price at $300, but it really seemed like a better deal when it was $300 vs $1500, now that it's $300 vs $495,(or $310),(or free), it does not seem like such a great deal.

When the early adopter licenses were being sold, I jumped on and stuck with it because Turning/4axis/5axis were only going to be available in the ultimate package, now that has all changed. It seems to me that the early adopters should receive the same 24 month extension the ultimate subscribers are getting.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

brianrepp — Sat, 15 Sep 2018 00:04:25 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

I believe the main benefits Early adopters are getting over people who subscribe before October 7th is the 1000 cloud credits and saving $10 per year ($300 instead of $310 per year). In the years I have been using Fusion, I have never had a reason to use any of the cloud credits.

So my question is, will the cloud credits be useful for any operations other than rendering and generative designs in the future? What else would I be missing out on if I just went with a free startup license(making under 100K per year)?

We have seen this a few times in the past when standard license functionality was raised to the same level as ultimate/early adopter functionality, the main reason I have held on to the early adopter license is because of the extra functionality it was supposed to have over a standard license. The Fusion team has held up their promise of maintaining the price at $300, but it really seemed like a better deal when it was $300 vs $1500, now that it's $300 vs $495,(or $310),(or free), it does not seem like such a great deal.

When the early adopter licenses were being sold, I jumped on and stuck with it because Turning/4axis/5axis were only going to be available in the ultimate package, now that has all changed. It seems to me that the early adopters should receive the same 24 month extension the ultimate subscribers are getting.

Hi @Anonymous - to answer your question, over time I think you'll most definitely see more services and options within Fusion 360 that you could put cloud credits towards. At this point, it's hard to say what those will be, when they'll be released, and if they'll be of any interest to you, but having $1k worth of cloud credits every year could be incredibly valuable. If you use other Autodesk software today (or eventually might want to), it's worth noting that these are not exclusive to Fusion 360 and could be useful for other Autodesk services.

Do you qualify for the startup license today? If so, and you expect your business to grow beyond the $100k threshold in the near future, keeping your early adopter subscription seems like a pretty good way to go.

Re: ANNOUNCEMENT: Fusion 360 tier consolidation, what does it mean?

Anonymous — Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:39:00 GMT

Will there still be a free hobbyist/startup version, or does everyone have to pay a subscription price now? If so, I'll definitely pony up for the full Ultimate version for $310/year. So, 20 years from now, as long as I renew every year, my subscription will still be $310/year?