topic Re: Where is the A4 sized title block? in Fusion Design, Validate & Document Forum

Where is the A4 sized title block?

lemelman — Tue, 19 May 2020 14:12:28 GMT

When I create a 2D drawing the default title block is fine for an A3 sheet, but is far too big for an A4 sheet - it occupies a good 1/6th of the sheet size. Is there a title block suitable for an A4 sheet? If so, where is it? If not, why not?

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

SaeedHamza — Tue, 19 May 2020 17:22:01 GMT

Select the title block or the border then right-click them to edit border, text or anything.

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

Phil.E — Tue, 19 May 2020 17:44:34 GMT

Hi,

Fusion uses the standard ISO titleblock. It is the same for all sheet sizes, as per standard.

As @SaeedHamza points out you can create your own title block and template. On the File menu, click on "new drawing template". While defining your template you can create a title block from scratch or edit the existing ISO standard 180mm wide title block.

Here is a very informative page, it has diagrams and information about the ISO standard.

http://tolerancing.net/engineering-drawing/title-block.html

Let me know if you have questions.

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

lemelman — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:05:11 GMT

Thanks for the link to the information about the ISO standard. Interestingly, it doesn't actually specify dimensions, just number of characters. (Leastways, I didn't see any physical dimensions).

Anyway, I decided to create an A4 sized version by scaling the A3 version by the reciprocal of root 2 (= 0.707). Rounding the resulting dimensions to 0.5mm gives the result shown.

Somehow I managed to get into an environment where I could define a new title block. I managed to define the grid lines OK and started to create the small text labels. After doing two labels, Fusion just stopped and was totally unresponsive. I had to use Task Manager to cancel it.

After a restart I couldn't find the environment for creating a new title block, but I could find the place where I could modify an existing one. I started modifying the A3 version but, although I can redefine the grid and move the text labels, I can't see any way to change the sizes of the pre-fill targets.

All in all, it seems to me that Autodesk has completely ignored users who need to print 2D drawings on A4 sheets.

At the moment, my best work-a-round is to use an A3 sheet and output it to a PDF, then print the PDF on an A4 sheet. Unfortunately, the scaling is then root 2 times too big.

Where do I go from here?

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

g-andresen — Thu, 21 May 2020 09:40:09 GMT

Hi,

this is the way I do it.
But I agree with you that editing is sometimes difficult.
The attributes can still be resized well, but the fixed text cannot be resized. There you usually have to rewrite the titles and define the text size at the beginning. Existing text (black) often does not allow editing. Why this is so, I don´t know.

günther

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

Phil.E — Thu, 21 May 2020 15:58:43 GMT

Hi,

This image is a little farther down the page. This is the ISO spec for A4. They are clear that this is designed to fit full width for Portrait orientation and is also the same exact title block for all ISO drawings.

Outside of the standard the way to make a title block you like is to define a template. I'm assuming you don't intend to redraw the title block each time. If you don't want to draw it each time, you have to create a template.

Here is the help page explaining working with templates:

http://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/?guid=GUID-3BF032FB-8A2A-4905-831C-632175ACC2CB

Creating title blocks:

http://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/?guid=DWG-CREATE-NEW-TITLE-BLOCK

General information about title blocks:

http://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/?guid=GUID-0D9E85A3-9B36-461D-9547-8904BF46CFC4

Using a template:

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

lemelman — Fri, 22 May 2020 10:03:28 GMT

Many thanks to all that responded.

After spending quite a lot of time following the super instructions and screencast you kindly posted, and reading THIS document that was sent by Phil, I concluded that my concern about the Scale attribute was groundless. According to the referenced document, the scale field, if used, should be placed outside the Title Block.

I eventually decided to experiment, and discovered that if I specified an A3 drawing sheet and used a scale factor of 0.707:1 then, when output as a PDF and printed on an A4 sheet, the scale came out to be 1:1, and the title block consumed only about 1/12 of the sheet area.

I'm learning a lot from this forum. Thank you.

Re: Where is the A4 sized title block?

Phil.E — Fri, 22 May 2020 16:45:48 GMT

Okay, glad you found something that would work for you.

If it ever gets to be tedious entering in the custom scale for views, remember you can make a template once and use it forever.

Best regards,