topic Re: POINT STYLES in Civil 3D Forum

POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:34:34 GMT

Hi, I am having trouble creating certain point styles. I have created (wblock) symbols to insert as my symbols in point styles. Some of them work perfectly but some insert whatever symbol cad wants it to and I really don't understand. It is driving me bonkers. For example I have created a symbol (wblock) for a cleanout (save it) insert it in point styles and civil3d inserts a water valve type symbol instead.

And even odder, The drawing that I am working on within this drawing template WILL allow me to insert this same symbol correctly but the template won't

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:30:23 GMT

Here is my drawing template and here is the symbol I have created for a cleanout. If you go to point styles under CO (cleanout) you will see a water valve symbol. I click browse.....go to my cleanout symbol and it will not insert...what the heck. However it will insert other similar symbols that I have created.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 18:38:03 GMT

Here is the drawing that I started under the drawing template and you can see that point number 75 came in perfectly. I will even add my point file

Re: POINT STYLES

rgrainerVXXAM — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:31:10 GMT

first: define your cleanout block so that the center is at 0,0,0

this is how blocks should be defined. Autocad 100

Re: POINT STYLES

rgrainerVXXAM — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:39:26 GMT

I fixed your file and it is attached.
I've also took at brief look at your template and I'd humbly say you've got problems. If not now you will in the future.

Please learn how to make a proper template and your life will become easier.

Re: POINT STYLES

rl_jackson — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 19:41:18 GMT

When I create a drawing from your dwt file, and import the point file you provided I get the symbol that is prescribed in the description key file in the location of the cleanout. I use that symbol for a well but to each his own.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 20:57:50 GMT

I did, I click select point and click the center of the symbol.

Re: POINT STYLES

ChicagoLooper — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:59:25 GMT

@ESchomberg

The dwt you uploaded in Post #1 is messy. smh

With a little work, you can get by.

If you really and truly want to do this right create a Block Library for your blocks. Don't CREATE your blocks directly in your dwt, make a separate 'Block Library' then, cut the blocks you plan to use and paste them into your working drawing. You can make a custom block library for a single project or you can make a Master Block Library and add you favorite block as you create or acquire them.

First and foremost, open the JASON GODWWIN.dwt and delete all the cogos using the Cleanout Style. It doesn't matter if the cogo has the correct symbol or incorrect symbol, just delete all cogos using that style. Next, PURGE the block that's named DOUBLE CIRCLE PLUS INSIDE using the purge command. (You want to delete it because that's the wrong block!)

Warning: If there are any cogos still using the Cleanout 'STYLE' you won't be able to delete DOUBLE CIRCLE PLUS INSIDE.

With the Jason Godwin template still open, add the correct block from Post #1. (As you already know, the correct block looks like a thick 'plus' sign inside a double circle. The correct block is in the CLEANOUT.dwg)

Finally, while still in Jason Godwin.dwt, edit the Cleanout cogo Point Style by inserting the correct Cleanout Symbol.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:00:51 GMT

That's what I have been trying to do for years...(learn how to create a good drawing template). I thought I was doing well until I read this lol. If I knew the correct way to do it I wouldn't have a need to post on here. I have never had any cad training, just trying to find my way through this maze.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:07:57 GMT

Chicago, I'm not at my computer but do you mean by create a block library by doing this?

Like open a blank civil 3d drawing template and insert all my symbols into model space as a group. Then save them all as one block into a specified folder? I'm a little confused about this.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:17:55 GMT

Also, where is the cleanout style? I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with this. I know that when I was in the point style box, I could not figure out a way to delete any of them. I think you mean by deleting cogos...the point styles with the funky names like 26rty576@$....

And to respond to your post...yes I absolutely do want to learn how to do this right. I want to learn everything I can about this software. I do understand you guys replies about my template being messy, it's not on purpose it's because I don't know exactly what I'm doing. I just try to figure things out as I go and apparently making mistakes along the way. This is a very sophisticated, complex software but I feel that I have come along way.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Sun, 24 Mar 2024 23:21:35 GMT

Is my whole entire drawing template messed up? Or just this one particular area? I could live with my point styles and description keys being messed up because I've just recently started learning about it. However if my whole drawing template is messed up, I am going to feel like I should just give up on cad after 8 years of learning.

Re: POINT STYLES

ChicagoLooper — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 02:17:33 GMT

@ESchomberg

This is the E-A-S-Y way.

Open 24600 WATSON ROAD.dwg then go to Toolspace=>Setteings Tab=> perform sequence shown below:

Re: POINT STYLES

ChicagoLooper — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 02:14:01 GMT

@ESchomberg

If you want to fix your template, the one named JASON GODWIN.dwt, then you'll need to REdefine your CO block. Be sure to redefine while you're in the Jason Godwin template.

You must re-define it because that block definition is currently pointing to the WELL block instead of pointing to the CO (cleanout) block. That means every time you call up the block named CO AutoCAD will follow your pointer and insert the WELL block.

<<Bad pointer means you get a bad block........And bad block means you get a bad point style.>>

It might look like AutoCAD made a mistake when creating the cogo point but he didn't. Why? Because he's inserting the block according to your instructions. It's not the Point Style that's incorrect, it's the block used in the point style.

Make the CO point to the CO block, not the WELL block.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 14:41:05 GMT

Thank you Mr. Looper. I will check into this for sure. You have always helped me alot

Re: POINT STYLES

rgrainerVXXAM — Mon, 25 Mar 2024 18:31:43 GMT

Giving up may be a bit drastic.
You've gotten some good advice here. Take a step back, do a little more research and take the time to do the template correctly and then the frustration level goes down once you've made dozens of point symbols, over and over.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Wed, 27 Mar 2024 22:34:31 GMT

Hey Chicagolooper. I am trying this but I am missing something. I am not sure what you mean by cogos and how to find/delete them. Also under the purge command (purgeable items) I just see a list: 1) blocks 2) detail view style 3) dimension styles etc. I don't understand how you got all my symbol blocks to appear in there. At the bottom it says "there are no purgeable objects. See the find non-purgeable items tab". I do find them under that tab but purge is grayed out. I'm sorry but I'm A bit lost on this, not any experience with this.

Re: POINT STYLES

ESchomberg — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 21:25:08 GMT

Yes sir, this is the part that I actually figured out on my own it's the deleting cogos and purging that I'm stuck on

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ESchomberg — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:15:44 GMT

See, I don't understand what I did wrong or how to fix it. I have a folder under documents called all symbols. I created the cleanout symbol, then used the command wblock and saved it in my all symbols folder. Then I created the CO point style went to browse found the symbol that I created (I never selected the water valve symbol, I selected the symbol that I created and it brought in the water valve symbol instead.

This workflow works on most of my point styles with the exception of this one and it happened like twice before. I don't get it.

Re: POINT STYLES

ChicagoLooper — Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:18:10 GMT

Hi @ESchomberg

The water valve block is the BAD symbol.

The double circle with the 'plus' sign is the GOOD symbol.

The solution is to replace the Bad symbol with the Good one.

Here's a video using your Cleanout symbol and your dwt demonstrating how you can do it.

(view in My Videos)

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In the future, when building a Point Style, copy the desired block from your drawing named All Symbols.dwg and paste it directly into the dwg file where you create the Point Style. You may even delete the block after it's pasted. Why? Because the process of pasting a block establishes that block's definition and deleting it only removes the block symbol itself, it doesn't remove the block definition.

Once the definition is properly defined, it'll be available for use when building a Point Style. On a side note, you can use PURGE to remove a block definition but you must comply with the PURGE rules when doing so. (Actually it's more like 'satisfy certain conditions' rather than rule compliance when you want to purge a block definition.)