topic Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING) in AutoCAD Forum

AutoCAD - Title Block - Text with attribute (Sizing/Justifying/other editing)

Luke_Y.AGII — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 08:24:24 GMT

In my title block i have a text with attibutes that prompts me to insert a drawing name. the problem arises when the name is too long. At one point I was able to use "fit" to squish the title into the space, but when the title got to be too long, it REALLY squished it together, and my boss hated it, so i changed it, but it still isnt great.

I would like to:

justify middle center
keep all the text inside the box
have the text go multilne and shrink the text height (from 1/4 to. ...3/16?maybe?) if it exceeds the width of the title box (instead of squishing it{fit})
maintain the attribue so that I can name the drawing at the prompt.

is this possible?

This is what it looks like when the name is too long:

i also cant seem to adjust the boundaries of a multiline box when it has attributes, when i try TEXTEDIT it brings up the edit attrites box, and not anything that lets me change the size of the box with pickboxes, nor move the box. I can, using the "..." option, adjust the height and width, but only to right and bottom, but thats it.

[ The subject line of this post has been edited to include the product name by @handjonathan ]

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

pendean — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:08:34 GMT

Can you share that DWG and titleblock here?

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

TheCADnoob — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:16:34 GMT

The title blocks that i have seen that work the best have space in the title block for at least 3 lines even if only 1 is used. I think you have just really created the problem by having your title area so small in your title block. I would start by increasing that area and then work your attributes to fit into a larger area.

You can see in this example from ISO 7200 that you really need to just build in the space first. After that you can rely on abbreviations to squeeze in. once you have taken those two options into account i would look into the resizing stuff. If you cant even fit the most basic title in there without reducing the sizing you have a title block that is not fit to function

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Luke_Y.AGII — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:01:06 GMT

Here it is. (business info removed)

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Luke_Y.AGII — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:02:36 GMT

Its a B size title block, the space is 1/2" by over 3". Theres plenty of room.

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

pendean — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:40:16 GMT

@Luke_Y.AGII wrote:

Its a B size title block, the space is 1/2" by over 3". Theres plenty of room.

Your larger text (two locations, not the logo spot) do look out of proportion to the other text when printed and on screen to me and a couple of guys here that saw it on the printer (and some serious Lweight line setting to boot). What happens in the empty quadrant if I may ask?

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Luke_Y.AGII — Wed, 12 Oct 2022 22:56:44 GMT

It's just empty space.

I appreciate the artistic eye in regards to the layout, but I'm really more concerned with the question I asked initially. I went ahead and made my text height 1/8" tall, which solves the width problem, but id still like to know if it is possible to make text with attributes fit in the space (multiline style), and resize itself from one line at 1/4" height to two lines at 1/8" height when the 1/4" line hits the sides or the text box width limits.

is there a way to assign attributes to existing text? or is it ONLY created through the Insert panel>Define Attributes button?

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Kent1Cooper — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 03:18:39 GMT

@Luke_Y.AGII wrote:

... id still like to know if it is possible to make text with attributes fit in the space (multiline style), and resize itself ....

It wouldn't do it by itself, but it's pretty easy to adjust all of that in the Attribute Editor:

That applies to the right side here [the left side is with 0.2 height and no boundary width]:

You can define the justification and a boundary width for a Multi-line Attribute, so it would automatically go to multiple lines if it gets too long, and be centered correctly, and all you would need to do manually is adjust the height.

Re: AutoCAD - Title Block - Text with attribute (Sizing/Justifying/other editing)

TomBeauford — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:29:36 GMT

Using Arial Narrow TT font with normal sentence case "This is a test" is only half as long and much more readable.

Nobody would ever subject themselves to reading a book or article all in uppercase, why does anyone think it's OK to use it in drawings?

Only reason uppercase was ever used was because a lifetime ago it was easier when the lettering was all done by hand before CAD. Makes absolutely no sense anymore.

If anyone typed a response here in uppercase they'd immediately get a response to stop screaming on the forum!

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Kent1Cooper — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 11:58:24 GMT

I got into your drawing, and changed that Attribute to be Middle-Center justified and centered in its box, and I inched the boundary width up to 3" [closer to the full width of the box]. Inserting it and giving that one a too-long value, I got this at first:

which did the wrapping itself to stay within the box width. I double-clicked on that Attribute, picked the Text Options tab, and reduced the height, and [this was unexpected] found that I had to pick in and type in [i.e. "force"] the 3" boundary width again, or else it remained in 3 lines with a proportionally shrunk boundary width. So I was a little disappointed about that part, but it's still not a lot of work to fix when the situation arises.

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Kent1Cooper — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 12:13:57 GMT

@Luke_Y.AGII wrote:

....

is there a way to assign attributes to existing text? or is it ONLY created through the Insert panel>Define Attributes button?

Search the Forums for "T2A" [= Text {to} Attribute].

Re: Title Block - TEXT WITH ATTRIBUTE (SIZING/JUSTIFIYING/OTHER EDITING)

Luke_Y.AGII — Thu, 13 Oct 2022 18:29:46 GMT

I can't find a place to adjust the multiline bounding box except for when the attribut is initially created, and it is not the same bounding (binding?) box that is used when defining multiline text.

also went searching for text to attribute in the forums and didnt find what I needed either.

If i have to manually resize everything each time i use the border, its probably faster if I just use MTEXT and type it in manually each time. i was looking for a timesaver, but it looks like ive wasted more time trying to figure this out than I probably should have.