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Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:27:31 GMT

My issue is with Autocad 2016. When I finish drawing in model space, some items shift location in paper space. My temporary solution has been shifting these items in paper space (so the sheets are good for printing), but what this does is shift it inaccurately in model space.

Same goes for some hatches, but I cannot find a temporary solution for this one. I tried shifting the hatch in paper space (as I explained before) but the hatch somehow connects itself with the lines that envelope it and ends up distorting what I have drawn.

I attached screen shots so it's easier to understand. Also, this only happens with certain items. I've researched this issue but have not found any solutions.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

sthompson1021 — Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:25:19 GMT

Check to make sure that your model view is set to top and that your layout view is also set to top.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

Anonymous — Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:31:59 GMT

Yes both views are set to the top view. Again, this only happens with certain items. If that was the issue then all parts of the drawing would be distorted. But thanks for the thought!

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

sthompson1021 — Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:37:41 GMT

Can you post the dwg that shows the problem? Hard to diagnose a problem with just pictures.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

john.vellek — Tue, 05 Jul 2016 19:39:24 GMT

Hi @Anonymous,

Welcome to the Community!

Can you attach a sample or two so I can look? I question if when you hatch, that you have separate hatches being created or if they are all grouped as a single hatch.

I look forward to working on your drawings so I can help you with this problem.

Please select the Accept as Solution button if my post fully solves your issue or answers your question.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

RobDraw — Wed, 06 Jul 2016 11:38:36 GMT

Why can't we all help?

@john.vellek wrote:

Can you attach a sample or two so I can look? I question if when you hatch, that you have separate hatches being created or if they are all grouped as a single hatch.

I look forward to working on your drawings so I can help you with this problem.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

john.vellek — Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:46:14 GMT

HI @Anonymous,

I haven't seen an update on your post. If you are still having this problem, please attach the file(s) so I can take a look.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

RobDraw — Wed, 06 Jul 2016 16:57:50 GMT

How about, "we can take a look."?

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:42:59 GMT

Sorry for the holdup, busy week at work.

Yes, attached is the cad file with some of the problem areas circled in magenta in model space and sheet.

Thank you!

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

Anonymous — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 14:44:32 GMT

Sorry busy week at work.

Attached is the cad file with some of the problems circled in magenta.

Thank you!

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

john.vellek — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:12:14 GMT

HI @Anonymous,

Your drawing had some serious errors that I could not remove even using Audit.

I moved your modelspace objects to a new drawing by using Wblock.

I then dragged your existing layouts into the new drawing but the behavior wan't much better. I created a new layout (Layout1) and it appears to be fine.

When I zoomed out in your model I also notices that you had entities extremely far away from the rest of your model. Erased the odds and ends and then ran audit.

I suggest you recreate your layouts and things should be fine. You will see that I created a new hatch on the millwork drawing and it (for me at least) seems to be behaving properly.

Please select the Accept as Solution button if my post fully solves your issue or answers your question.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

sthompson1021 — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 15:42:43 GMT

The problem I find is that your layouts are in custom view rather then top view. Not sure how this was drawn but the geometry is skewed in model space. If I create a new layout I can't anything to show in it other then constraints.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

pendean — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:07:25 GMT

Plus you have PLAN and UCS set to something other than WORLD in the file. Fix this in each viewport after you fix each in modelspace. BUT... you have so many objects hundreds of miles away any attempt at Zoom Extents renders the file pretty difficult to use. Is this a city-wide plan? your plans will disappear becuase of it. So delete those items before you do.

You have INFER CONTRAINTS turned on: is that deliberate?

Attached is your file back where I tried to fix it: center your viewports and lock them, I did not.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

dbroad — Fri, 15 Jul 2016 16:25:50 GMT

Karen,

In addition to the things the others said, you have not drawn all of your model space entities full size. Don't cheat by using dimension scale factors. Use the paper space viewports to scale the objects. ALWAYS draw full size in model space. If you must have different scaled drawings in the same model space xattach the scaled drawings into the model space.

I agree with John that working thousands of feet from the origin will lead to nothing but problems. You can't even see any objects if you zoom extents. Hatch performs very poorly far away from the origin unless a basepoint is added locally.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:09:50 GMT

Hello,

Thanks a lot for checking! I had just started working on this file, someone else drew most of it so I have no idea what they did.

Re: Items & hatches change location between model and paper space

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Jul 2016 14:18:18 GMT

Okay thank you so much for all that info!