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AutoCAD 2017 - MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

cadmgmt — Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:48:46 GMT

I have borrowed this old post as it seems to still be an issue without a solution that I can find.

Help would be appreciated. See the attached file.

AutoCAD 2017 SP1

Sometimes when editing MText, my ribbon gets HUGE and takes up half the screen. I've fixed this before by closing and re-opening AutoCAD. And, of course, it doesn't always do it. It looks like it's stretching the ribbon to show all my text styles. Is there some setting that needs to be selected or is this a glitch?

Thanks in advance for your help!

[ The subject line of this post has been edited for clarity by @handjonathan Original: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big ]

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

dbroad — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 15:29:18 GMT

Someone may have edited your cui. The problem appears to be your numerous text styles. In the CUI, Select the Ribbon -> Tabs. Expand the Text Editor Contextual Tab. Then select the Multiline Text Editor - Style row. Under the properties panel, change "never collapse" to "Collapse as needed". This is just a guess that someone changed it to never collapse. See picture.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

cadmgmt — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:24:33 GMT

Thanks for the reply.

That is not an issue. Both machines I have seen this happen on are set properly in the CUI.

Undocumented Feature maybe?

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

pendean — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:50:59 GMT

Your screenshot is from R2010. It's not a feature there. Windows 10 by chance?

It's not a feature of R2017 either 🙂

This only happens with MTEXT's Ribbon action? No other Ribbon action?
Is today the day you all installed R2010? or Sp1? Or is this a sudden new problem that just appeared? R2010 is not new, so what is different in this 8-year-old software today?
This happens to all PCs? You said two, is that all of them?

By chance did these two (or more) users share an action together, like they both got an add-on or a custom menu or they both did something else together? Or both get Win8/8.1/10 together?

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

cadmgmt — Thu, 09 Feb 2017 21:57:36 GMT

As you read in my post, I borrowed the original post and its screenshot from an old post on the site.

As I said, AutoCAD 2017 SP1 (Yes, we are on Windows 10).

I have 8 machines, all virtually identical.

Nothing custom on any machines. Users do not have rights to install or modify set ups.

Nothing new. All machines installed and set up at the same time about a month or 2 ago.

It is an intermittent issue, it does not happen all the time.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

john.vellek — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:34:59 GMT

Hi @cadmgmt, I haven't seen this before and I find no defects logged that sound similar. Is there any action that triggers this action?

Are you using a hi-res display? Does it still happen if you apply the latest update?

Does toggling the GALLERYVIEW make any difference?

Please select the Accept as Solution button if my post solves your issue or answers your question.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

pendean — Fri, 10 Feb 2017 21:37:17 GMT

>>>...It is an intermittent issue...<<<
There is no cure for random glitches: if you cannot recreate it on demand, next time it happens try to better identify what actions took place right before. Maybe something there will trigger it again and we can all replicate it.

To me it looks like your video card hicupped on a screen refresh. On one PC, maybe yours, turn off hardware acceleration and see if the problem stays away from that one PC more than other PCs that still do this on occasion.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

john.vellek — Mon, 13 Feb 2017 21:00:43 GMT

Hi @cadmgmt,

I am checking back to see if my post or others helped you with your problem. Please add a post with how you decide to proceed and your results so other Community members may benefit.
Please hit the Accept as Solution button if a post or posts solves your issue or answers your question.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Fri, 03 Mar 2017 19:38:11 GMT

I fixed this issue with your suggestion, however instead of choosing "Collapse as Needed" which was already selected, I chose "Collapse Last" and it seemed to put the ribbon back to normal.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Jun 2017 00:12:09 GMT

Same fix worked here too, thanks!

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:02:45 GMT

I was having the same issue, but when I went into my CUI, it was correctly set. I applied and saved it anyhow, and that cured the problem.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

cadmgmt — Tue, 19 Dec 2017 14:50:46 GMT

The issue occurs when there are a lot of different Text Styles in the drawing. If I Purge the drawing then there is less for AutoCAD to try and fill the screen with.

Seems like it is an issue in how AutoCAD is set to display all the styles.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 11:14:12 GMT

Thanks to all for the fix. This was driving me nuts!

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

dbroad — Fri, 26 Jan 2018 13:52:13 GMT

I would like to follow up with this problem. As recently as last month, I determined that many of these intermittent problems depended on whether users used the BEDIT command or use dynamic blocks that others have created. Apparently bedit adds text styles with names such as {18b73a54-fa43-428c-adcb-c1c7bbdf2c84} to those drawings. Since the style names are so extremely long, they tend to choke the ribbon style gallery display code.

I have been trying to encourage AutoDesk to address this error/side effect but they may need feedback from other users that this would be important to fix.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:43:27 GMT

Sometimes it is not what has gone before that creates the ribbon getting big problem. I can open a drawing and the first thing I do is click on text to edit and the ribbon gets big, unless what has been done in a previous drawing can affect it somehow. However, by closing the drawing in question and reopening it I find the problem sorts itself out. It is very frustrating and wastes unnecessary time when you're busy to have to close and reopen drawings.

I have just tried resaving my CUI to see if that will help.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

pkolarik — Fri, 08 Feb 2019 21:14:50 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

Sometimes it is not what has gone before that creates the ribbon getting big problem. I can open a drawing and the first thing I do is click on text to edit and the ribbon gets big, unless what has been done in a previous drawing can affect it somehow. However, by closing the drawing in question and reopening it I find the problem sorts itself out. It is very frustrating and wastes unnecessary time when you're busy to have to close and reopen drawings.

I have just tried resaving my CUI to see if that will help.

Resurrecting an old issue, as it's still a problem in ACA 2018.

It's not a reproducable-on-demand type of flaw. This has been happening on and off for quite a while, and I've not been able to track any particular triggers that are causing this. It happened today and then again yesterday, so that's why I'm finally looking up this issue.

Someone mentioned above weird/really long text style names... none of those present in this (or any) drawings that this has ever happened on. Just our office standard ones.

I checked the CUI, it was already set to the "collapse as needed". Hitting "ok" on the CUI dialog box did nothing to solve the issue, *however* if I change the above-mentioned item to "never collapse", hit "apply", then changed it back to "collapse as needed", then "apply" again, the problem solved itself.

I'm not sure if this is a better solution than having to drop completely out of acad (especially when I have numerous drawings open) or not. One thing it is for certain is incredibly annoying.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:10:33 GMT

Try purging out unused text style, fonts and shapes from the drawing. It may not be an Autocad setting. For me, it was some text fonts that needed to be purged from the drawing.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Tue, 30 Apr 2019 07:07:03 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

Try purging out unused text style, fonts and shapes from the drawing. It may not be an Autocad setting. For me, it was some text fonts that needed to be purged from the drawing.

Thanks for that it is something worth trying. Although personally I can't see how that could be the issue as I use the same text styles on all my drawings and it is only some that give a problem. Worth a try though.

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Wed, 22 May 2019 19:26:28 GMT

Turns out my text styles were different in a few drawings.

Pesky romans.shx and messed up font styles.

Here are a couple lisp routines that when edited and set up to run as a script will eliminate old shx files.

Edit to your liking.

(defun c:newfont ()

(setvar "cmdecho" 0)

(command "-style" "romans" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "romant" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "txt" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "Controls_text" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "simplex" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "legacy" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "WD" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "Italic" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "Annotative" "txt.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "BORDERS" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "standard" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(setvar "cmdecho" 1)

(print "All font styles updated")

)

(defun c:oldfont ()

(setvar "cmdecho" 0)

(command "-style" "Annotative" "txt.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "BORDERS" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "txt" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "Controls_text" "romans.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "Italic" "italic.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "legacy" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "romant" "romant.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "simplex" "simplex.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "WD" "arial.ttf" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO")

(command "-style" "standard" "txt.shx" "0" "1" "0" "NO" "NO" "NO")

(setvar "cmdecho" 1)

(print "All font styles reverted")

)

Re: MTEXT Ribbon Gets Big

Anonymous — Thu, 23 Apr 2020 14:57:33 GMT

I have used REGEN with success.