topic Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader in AutoCAD Forum

Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

mviscetto — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:07:37 GMT

Hello,

I have seen this topic in previous threads but have not found an answer.

My issue is that the arrowhead of the Multileader disappears when the leader becomes shorter than the landing.

(at least that is what appears to be the trigger)

I have read in other threads that the arrowhead disappears when the leader is shorter than the arrowhead height.

That does not appear to be the issue. - See attached file.

Is there a Sysvar to work with?

Thank you in advance

Michael

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

wispoxy — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:37:40 GMT

You are correct it does need to be about 2 times the length. Really it's not just the small dot, it's a small dot and a mini line as the head. O-

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Thu, 16 Feb 2017 19:36:58 GMT

Hi @mviscetto,

From my personal experience, I agree with @wispoxy. In order to get around this I make a second multi-leader style with a smaller arrow head for such situations.

Please let me know if you have any further questions or concerns regarding this issue.

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Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 21:58:02 GMT

Hi @mviscetto

I am checking back to see if my post or @wispoxy's helped you with your problem. Please add a post with how you decide to proceed and your results so other Community members may benefit.

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Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

mviscetto — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:27:16 GMT

Hi John,

I would like to see if the smaller arrowhead scenario will work for us.

In our case is the small dot.

I quickly created a new block definition to use for a smaller dot.

then created a new MLeader style and assigned my new arrowhead to it.

(see attached)

Now the leader and arrowhead have a gap between them.

Hmmmm - any suggestions?

Thank you

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:44:47 GMT

HI @mviscetto,

I always cheat and put a small "leg" on it.

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Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

mviscetto — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 22:56:24 GMT

Ok,

I see why and how that can be used however that does not solve my problem .

When I edit the length of the leader and shorten it a bit, the arrowhead still disappears with or without the gap.

What is interesting is that when the arrowhead vanishes the leader line lengthens.

If the rule is (Leader = 2x the Landing distance = Arrowhead displayed) then there may be no resolution to this, right?

Thank you

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:06:19 GMT

Hi @mviscetto,

It works for me in your drawing! Hmmmm.

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

mviscetto — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:09:59 GMT

@john.vellek

yes sir, I was able to obtain that too.

However, if you will,

Please grip edit the dot and make the leader shorter than 12"

Does the dot disappear for you too?

Thanks

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:16:53 GMT

HI @mviscetto,

Sir? No need for that....I just work here 🙂

Yes, I think you are correct.

A workaround - not a great one - is to explode the Leader and move the Dot.

I will see if there is something else that can be done for this issue.

Thanks for your patience

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

mviscetto — Fri, 17 Feb 2017 23:40:45 GMT

@john.vellek

Thank you for the time spent on this.

Just for kicks I played with the QLeader command and obtained the same result so it must be embedded in the code.

Anyway, I may test the "moving the arrowhead within the block" idea but that seems like it may be a dangerous road to travel.

Thanks again for your help.

Have a good weekend.

Michael

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Sat, 18 Feb 2017 00:38:52 GMT

I'm not near a computer but how about a non annotative style with a text override for text height?

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

john.vellek — Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:00:25 GMT

Hi @mviscetto,

I took the dimension, turned off the Annotative property and changed the Dot to 3/32" and it seems to work fairly well. So perhaps a second style that is not annotative would get you the dot with the short leader.

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Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

mviscetto — Fri, 24 Feb 2017 21:39:47 GMT

Thanks John,

I will experiment with that.

Michael

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

Anonymous — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 12:01:27 GMT

Hello everyone,

I just noticed a similar issue, and I solved it by making a custom arrowhead, made the size 100 fold of what I needed it to be. And changed the arrowhead size in the multileader style 1/100th of the required size.

seems to work for me at first glance.

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

gotphish001 — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 16:26:26 GMT

I explode the leader as John mentioned and then I can edit it anyway I like. It's a rare occurrence that I need one that short in the work I do, so exploding is an ok workaround for me. If I had to explode a few a project I'd probably want to find another way. One exploded leader every other project is satisfactory for me. Usually if I have a need for a short one I make it as short as possible without losing the dot and then see if I can get that to work. Most times that works well enough for me.

I have a lisp that takes a leader and Mtext and makes it a Mleader again. Now that I think of it maybe I'll try to make a short leader and recombine it again with the lisp and see if it keeps the dot. I doubt it but I'll check.

Edit: My lisp does add the dot back in but it makes the leader long enough to have the dot again. DOH! It must have a default length it makes it when it converts it back to a Mleader.

Re: Multileaders Disappear With a short leader

david.hartness — Wed, 27 Feb 2019 23:21:39 GMT

Jww's solution worked for me as well! Genius!!