topic Re: Align command problem in AutoCAD Forum

Align command problem

BB8x — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 11:16:17 GMT

Hi All

For years I have been usign align command (it is not about 3dalign). Recently it started to change elevations of aligned object (using yes to apply scale). How to fix it and force align to not change elevations?

Thanks

Re: Align command problem

ВeekeeCZ — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 11:20:00 GMT

OSNAPZ?

Re: Align command problem

BB8x — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 11:22:25 GMT

Nope. I tried wih 0 and 1

Re: Align command problem

pendean — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 14:04:27 GMT

@BB8x when a core program stops working after so many years, stop, restart your PC, open a blank new file then test it to confirm it truly wigged out for no reason.

When you find out it did not (hopefully), then you do a deep dive:
1) are you sure all of your DWG objects nd the points you are selecting are at Z=0?
2) are all running osnaps are off, forcing yourself to manually select them?
3) not sure how to fix this problematic DWG file? Share it here, explain how we call can replicate the issue in your DWG file.

Re: Align command problem

BB8x — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:04:33 GMT

Been trying for few days

1) it is not zero elevation drawing. Changing coorditates system to local one. Even lisps for Helmert transformation changing elevations

2) yes

Re: Align command problem

pendean — Mon, 05 Feb 2024 21:17:17 GMT

@BB8x wrote:

Been trying for few days

1) it is not zero elevation drawing. Changing coorditates system to local one. Even lisps for Helmert transformation changing elevations

2) yes

Coordinates system? Not seeing any reference to that in your first post, sorry.

LISP? that does what exactly?

Are you using Civil3D or MAP3D by chance (or a drawing from there) or an add-on?

https://help.autodesk.com/view/CIV3D/2024/ENU/?guid=GUID-B7E7615D-3EEB-4DB0-87CF-83D1FF6DD001

Re: Align command problem

BB8x — Tue, 06 Feb 2024 12:15:50 GMT

Redefining the question: is there a way to scale 3d drawing in XY plane only? Without changing Z values?

Lets say 2 blocks have elevation 5 and distance between is 10. Scaling with factor 2 will change elev to 10 and distance to 20. I want to have elevation of 5 units after scaling

Re: Align command problem

Kent1Cooper — Tue, 06 Feb 2024 13:54:56 GMT

@BB8x wrote:

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Lets say 2 blocks have elevation 5 and distance between is 10. Scaling with factor 2 will change elev to 10 and distance to 20. I want to have elevation of 5 units after scaling

That sounds like you are using a Scale base point which is at Z=0. Use one with Z=5. You may be able to use a point on one of the Blocks. If not, use point coordinate filters -- when it asks for the base point, type .XY [with the period prefix] and pick a point at the XY position of the reference point, and it will say (need Z) , at which you type in the 5.

Re: Align command problem

BB8x — Tue, 06 Feb 2024 14:23:01 GMT

Understand way you trying to say Kent, but I have various elements from elev 0 to 102 ish, so this approx solution will not work for drawing as a whole

Re: Align command problem

Kent1Cooper — Tue, 06 Feb 2024 15:51:37 GMT

@BB8x wrote:

... I have various elements from elev 0 to 102 ish, so this approx solution will not work for drawing as a whole

.... which means your description involving two Blocks at the same elevation was not representative....

And would these "elements" be of various types as well as at various elevations? Any 3D objects, even [for example] Lines with different Z coordinates at their ends? If so, how should they be scaled? Any elements drawn in different Coordinate Systems in planes not parallel to the current XY plane? Etc.

I imagine a solution will involve a stepping through a selection and scaling every element selected individually, around a location calculated using the XY of the designated base point and a Z coordinate somehow extracted from the element itself, by different means for different entity types.

Re: Align command problem

BB8x — Tue, 06 Feb 2024 22:25:03 GMT

I have attached sample with some descriptions

Re: Align command problem

jreidKVSUZ — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 17:25:07 GMT

I know this is an older request for ALING and I do not see any answers here.

ALIGN used to be used to ALING and SCALE your drawing at the same time.

My 2024 and 2025 does not allow that to happen any more.

This is my options for ALIGN: Type Align: Pick Point then Justification comes up L/C/M/.R <NO Change>

When I pick the first point it goes right into these other commands and can not get a second point option.

I know I can rotate, scale up etc but ALIGN used to do the job in one step.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Side note... used to always put a - before the command to get the old way of doing the command and many comments come up when someone puts a _ before the command saying that must be a typo.

Well, don't know when AUTOCAD made the change, but some commands will start with the - and some will start with the _ . Align must be _ . But Plot must have the - . If you use _plot it pops up the dialog box. -plot will be the old school way of typing. So when you see a - or _ both could be right depending on the command being used.

Thanks,

JRR!

Re: Align command problem

pendean — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:34:55 GMT

@jreidKVSUZ wrote:
...This is my options for ALIGN: Type Align: Pick Point then Justification comes up L/C/M/.R <NO Change>

ALIGN command has not changed at all in plain AutoCAD (topic of this forum) for year-versions 2024-2025. But your screenshot is not using the plain AutoCAD ALIGN command, but something else. Do you using a 3rd party ad-on? Or a vertical version of AutoCAD?

Re: Align command problem

AllenJessup — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 19:49:28 GMT

Try .ALIGN

Note the period preceding the command.

Re: Align command problem

jreidKVSUZ — Thu, 12 Sep 2024 21:18:11 GMT

I use AutoCAD 2024 and 2025 with no other programs.

Very Strange, but I must of hit something to cause the Align to ack like it did like Mr. Pendean said.

I should of waited another day before sending out but... did not.

I just re-checked my AutoCAD.... ( I had closed it for lunch and reopened it ). My Align works like it should now.

I did a search for my mysterious command replacement and am unable to find how that got in there.

Also yes Mr. Jessup, the . before the command works as well. Did not know that. Thanks.

Side note 2025 now has Bing Maps and Esri Maps for Set Locations.

Sorry for the mix-up.

Thanks, JRR.