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block linetype does not appear in model space

Beka_Tchigladze — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:21:58 GMT

hello all I have such type problem. for example if I have dynamic block and I will change solid line type to dashed change does not appear in model space I have changed block editor unit too but it does not effected can anyone give me advice what to do? there is example below I have done screen some screen shots.

thank you in advence.

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

s.borello — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:48:27 GMT

Mess with the line type scale of the dashed line in your block editor. I bet this is your culprit.

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Beka_Tchigladze — Tue, 09 Apr 2019 17:57:43 GMT

I do not know what you mean it is not mess it is same block editor and model space ltscales

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Beka_Tchigladze — Fri, 03 May 2019 09:47:38 GMT

nobody has no an answer?

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Alfred.NESWADBA — Fri, 03 May 2019 10:08:20 GMT

Hi,

>> nobody has no an answer?

Without the file? Would result in guessing, but not in solutions.

- alfred -

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Beka_Tchigladze — Fri, 03 May 2019 13:37:29 GMT

here is file

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

cadffm — Fri, 03 May 2019 13:58:16 GMT

Your Insert is 1000x smaller then your (1:1) Blockdefinition, scale the Blockreference 1000x and you will see

set your LTSCALE 1000x smaller (1/1000=0.001)

Your Model (dynamic block.dwg) is set to METER, the Block to Millimeter,

The ARC inside is ~1200mm long and the linetype ACAD_ISO03W100 fit with the linetypescale=5 very well for this length

when LTSCALE is set to 1,

but the displayed length of this arc of your inserted blockreference has just a length of ~1.2 instead 1200.

1.2 is to short for object linetypescale 5 and this linetype with a global ltscale of 1.

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Beka_Tchigladze — Fri, 03 May 2019 15:59:12 GMT

Please see this file

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Alfred.NESWADBA — Sat, 04 May 2019 07:25:18 GMT

Hi,

fastest option would be to use copy & paste and copy your complete content from the modelspace of your dwg-file into a new dwg-file. The linetype is then displayed correctly

In your drawing it would help to open the block-editor with your door, select the arcs and assign them a linetype-scale of 0.1, close the block-editor with save ... that works, but I have no idea why and not enough time to find the source of that issue currenty.

- alfred -

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

cadffm — Sat, 04 May 2019 09:23:36 GMT

Check your current annotationscale (CANNOSCALE or see the "1:100" in the statebar),

set it to 1:1 and use command REGEN, can you see what you expected now?

Type in MSLTSCALE, press [F1] to open the right HELP-page and read about MSLTSCALE.

Set MSLTSCALE to 0 if you don't like to see how the pattern looks like in the current annotations-scale,

so you can have 1:100 as current scale. but you see the linetypepattern like 1:1 (useful? your! choice..)

All beginning is hard.

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Alfred.NESWADBA — Sat, 04 May 2019 10:02:33 GMT

Hi,

>> Check your current annotationscale

OMG, I have not even thought about that ;(

- alfred -

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Moshe-A — Sat, 04 May 2019 10:50:18 GMT

@Beka_Tchigladze hi,

i know all you want is just to fix this and 'go safe home' but to be able to fix it you have to work in a methodical way and understand how AutoCAD draw and scale linetypes otherwise this could be a 'trouble'.

First what i find in your sample drawing:

the block 'Door - Metric' (it's standard from AutoCAD toolpalette, right?!) you modified it (or someone else doesn't matter) and changed the linetype of the door arc to some dashed linetype cause you wanted to be dashed - yes?!

but instead of taking the normal dahsed linetype you choosed ACAD_ISO02W100 but this (i suppose) did not gave you the result you wanted and you enter back in block and continue to change door arc line types cause there are 4 door arcs (each for every visibility state) and even one door arc ended with this linetype ACAD_ISO13W100. i have discovered this after inserting more 'Door - Metric' blocks and the linetype i got is ACAD_ISO02W100 with ltscale of 10 but inside the bedit it was ACAD_ISO13W100 with ltscale of 1.0 and took me long time to understand what is going on? above all of that, you have an annotation scale 1:100 which directly influence ltscale.

in our region we work in centimeters (millimeters is of the same family of metric) and due to historical AutoCAD reasons from the first version i actually found that acad.lin linetype library is more suited to metric units (AutoCAD designate acadiso.lin to be it's metric linetype and acad.lin as imperial) for example for grid lines i use DASHDOT, for dashed lines i use DASHED and for more small dashed lines i use HIDDEN. my purpose is always to work with ltscale value that is suited to the scale i draw, e.g for 1:100 ltscale=100 for 1:50 ltscale=50 (the same rule i implement on DIMSCALE) this gives the best graphics results to linetypes coming from acad.lin for drawings in centimeters, drawing in model space but in your case we are talking about millimeters you should take another action (see below) to achieve the same result.

Now for the methodical way and solution to your problem:

in model space:

make sure all linetypes are coming from acad.lin by reloading them and update all existing ones.

set all objects to linetype bylayer (use SETBYLAYER command to accomplish that)

msltscale = 1 (fixed)

annotation scale 1:100 (or 1:50 or any other your need)

set all objects linetype scale to 1.0 and then set all non continue linetypes to 10.0 fixed (this is the other action to take see above)

in paper space:

ltscale = 1.0 (fixed, this is global and it will be 1.0 in model space also but it doesn't matter cause in model space annotation scale controls ltscale)

psltscale = 1 (fixed)

set viewport scale suited to your plot scale (e.g 1:100, 1:50, 1:25 and so on)

plot scale 1=1 (fixed)

if you follow these instruction i promise you full success for good

cheers

moshe

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

Moshe-A — Sat, 04 May 2019 12:10:22 GMT

and just to prove that what i wrote is true and working attached back your file after i fix it. the unrelevant linetypes are purged. i added two layouts SETUP 100 & SETUP 50 where you can see the door arc as HIDDEN2 (that's what suits here) and if you go to model space you also can see it. Note the annotation scale 1:100 control the linetype scale for the model space.

And one more things, if needed increase VIEWRES circle zoom percent to 1000 even 2000 to get best graphics results.

cheers

moshe

Re: block linetype does not appear in model space

dbroad — Sat, 04 May 2019 12:42:53 GMT

This file exhibits the drawbacks in drawing with meters as units for architectural scale drawings. The ISO linetype files are designed for millimeter units, not meter units, so to use them, use a global linetype scale of 0.0001 to 0.00005. This adjusts (by a factor of 1000) for the difference between millimeter and meter units.

You might consider using millimeters as the units on your next project.