topic Re: enough is enough. in AutoCAD Forum

enough is enough.

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:22:20 GMT

I have spent 5 years working with autocad for architecture. I still am desperate to understand why it is designed this way. I can't scale 1D, my extension lines don't exist, paper space and model space are forever overlapping each other- it is nearly impossible for me to lengthen or shorten any line without 3D snap click-clacking to whatever else is in the area. I have spent hours through tutorials, explanations and lectures as to the purpose of autocad, it's intentions and the direction it's attempting to go in. I read over all of it's earlier versions-how it only started as a simple command line program and i've endured all the snarling professionals who dismiss me for not knowing enough, i've gone through so many rabbit holes trying to find a comfortable, smooth and calm way to work. i say enough.

please make something we can actually use. you may crucify me for not being as brilliant and clever and patient as you all. but to the common john this thing that you so gloriously advertise each year as being innovative and sparkly new is brutally frustrating, redundant, heavy, clunky, and as it heaves and wobbles around i have to run around it -desperately, beggingly, lovingly, asking pleading crying needing for it to work.

i find everything, even the solutions to the problems posted-to be just another galaxy of problems,

thank you.

Re: enough is enough.

Anonymous — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:45:53 GMT

have you look at revit?

Re: enough is enough.

leothebuilder — Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:49:37 GMT

Wow,

Five years and you don't know how to scale something? (use the SCALE command)

Paper space and model space are overlapping? (impossible, you are either in model space OR paper space, or you are in an unlocked viewport. The last is not a software error but a user error)

Can't lengthen or shorten a line? (have you ever tried the STRETCH command?)

My advise is to check out your nearest community college and see if the offer Autocad courses.

One on one in a classroom setting is the best way to learn if online tutorials and "how to" books don't work.

Re: enough is enough.

steven-g — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 06:56:56 GMT

Most of us here are users just like yourself, maybe if you posted an example of one of the problems you are having, someone could explain how to go about finding a solution. A screen cast would be useful, otherwise a dwg and a description of where you are having issues.

Re: enough is enough.

ian.mag — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 08:53:44 GMT

Hey @Anonymous

I'm in agreement with @steven-g , share your file or the screencast regarding your issue and the community members will gladly assist you. Don't give up yet! AutoCAD is a powerful drafting software and you can pretty much draft anything you can imagine.

Re: enough is enough.

tramber — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 08:58:09 GMT

I can't scale 1D, my extension lines don't exist, paper space and model space are forever overlapping each other- it is nearly impossible for me to lengthen or shorten any line without 3D snap ...

Don't you use the LENGTHEN command ?

Extension lines don't exist ? Because of your permanent Orthomode ?

Model space ? What is the point ?

Are you in 3D ? Have you ever used the point filters ? If not, you are not qualified to draw in 3D in acad. Don't misunderstand me, a lot of 3D drafter have no idea of the points filters. Some don't even know the usage of UCS

Re: enough is enough.

RobDraw — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:01:04 GMT

The complaint department is down the hall and to the left. This is a user help forum. As you can see, there are plenty of people here to help. all you have to do is drop the attitude and ask a question. Your problems are simple. Break them down to one issue at a time and ask an intelligent question. The answers will be forthcoming.

Re: enough is enough.

steven-g — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:11:54 GMT

@RobDraw wrote:
The complaint department is down the hall and to the left.

Problem is they only work office hours, and the lunch break is from 9 to 5.

Re: enough is enough.

Alfred.NESWADBA — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:21:00 GMT

Hi,

I agree, asking questions (and so give us the option to help you) will help you far more than ranting.

Create new threads (each question one thread), show us your dwg-file (with just a few objects you are referring in your question), then let us know what you try to do, what you see, what you get and what is the difference to your expectation.

Sometimes it helps to use Autodesk Screencast (or another screen video recorder) to show us a video from what you are doing and what is happeing (>>>free Autodesk Screencast download<<<)

Also let us know which product and version you are using (in AutoCAD command _ABOUT ... and show us a screenshot)

The more information you give the better the chance to get valid suggestions and hopefully solutions.

- alfred -

Re: enough is enough.

pkolarik — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 13:05:43 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:
have you look at revit?

I'm guessing the OP wants *less* frustration and not *more*.

Re: enough is enough.

Kent1Cooper — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 14:31:12 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

.... [my comments in red -- KC] ....

I can't scale 1D

If by that you mean Scale things in one Direction only, true -- it's not a "native" AutoCAD capability, because of complications such as that a Circle or an Arc would need to become a different entity type. But there are many routines that will do it [Search here and in the Customization Forum], or you can pretty easily do what they all do: make a BLOCK of the thing(s), change one of its scale factors, and EXPLODE it.

my extension lines don't exist

If you're talking about Dimension extension lines, you may be using a Dimension Style that is designed to suppress them, which you can easily change:

or for Dimensions already drawn, whether their Style calls for suppression or not, you can change them in the Properties palette:

paper space and model space are forever overlapping each other

I'd want more of a description on that one, and/or a sample drawing as others have suggested.

it is nearly impossible for me to lengthen or shorten any line without 3D snap click-clacking to whatever else is in the area.

You can turn off 3D Object Snap in several ways -- in the Status bar:

or in the dialog box that comes up when you pick on that:

or [as indicated] with the F4 key.

Re: enough is enough.

Bob_Zurunkle — Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:32:59 GMT

OP are you stating that you are using "vanilla" AutoCAD for your architectural drafting? Or are you using the vertical product known as AutoCAD Architecture (formerly Architectural Desktop)?

Re: enough is enough.

Anonymous — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 00:37:15 GMT

OK. BEFORE I BEGIN. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR REPLIES. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

Here is a precise question.

When I CNTRL-Z to undo a command. The screen jumps around. Is there a way to make this stop?

I would like my undo to undo my previously drawn line and ignore my screen movements.

" but what do you mean by screen jumps around "

I mean that if i am to draw a rectangle, AND THEN pan the screen, OR move the SCREEN, OR Zoom the SCREEN, or preform ANY FUNCTION RELATED TO SCREEN MOVEMENT and then undo, IT WILL FIRST FORCE ME To Sit through a step by step reversal through each of those screen-related movements until it gets to undo the rectangle.

It looks to me as if the screen is "jumping" around when I am quickly pressing cntrl-z to simply delete the rectangle.

IS . . IT.. POSSIBLE.. TO.. IGNORE. THE SCREEN, MOVEMENTS, AND SIMPLY DELETE THE RECTANGLE with ONE CNtrl-Z

Re: enough is enough.

RobDraw — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 00:47:51 GMT

To answer your question, no, but it is really easy to erase that rectangle without using the undo command.

Your really should start new threads for each of your questions.

Re: enough is enough.

illusionistNUGXG — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:50:42 GMT

The screen movement and other changes to the viewport (like zoom) are part of the listed commands to undo / redo.

That "jumping" behaviour of the screen can't be eliminated.

At first i thought that this is annoying and should be changeable.

But now i appreciate it, because it gives safety - i can see all changes on screen.

Without the screen-jumping, changes by undo could happen somewhere off screen and mess up my drawing, and i wouldn't even notice what happened.

Re: enough is enough.

jabowabo — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:07:29 GMT

You can use the batch undo function to speed this up a bit:

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/community/screencast/7b06766a-f1f9-453d-aef0-9dbe95fdc0dd

The screencast shows me drawing a few items, panning, etc. and using CTL+Z to undo the rectangle.

I then redo everything and demonstrate how to use the batch undo to undo to the point before the rectangle was created.

Re: enough is enough.

RobDraw — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:11:37 GMT

Why go through multiple undos to erase a rectangle?

Re: enough is enough.

jabowabo — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:28:29 GMT

I wouldn't - except to answer the question above😉. My guess is he is just using an example of a workflow.

Re: enough is enough.

Kent1Cooper — Fri, 20 Sep 2019 14:05:37 GMT

@Anonymous wrote:

.... if i am to draw a rectangle, AND THEN pan the screen, OR move the SCREEN, OR Zoom the SCREEN, or preform ANY FUNCTION RELATED TO SCREEN MOVEMENT and then undo, IT WILL FIRST FORCE ME To Sit through a step by step reversal through each of those screen-related movements until it gets to undo the rectangle.

....

You can have all those reversals of movements accomplished collectively, instead of one at a time:

Then one U will take you back to the view / zoom level where you were before any of them, and another will undo whatever non-movement command preceded them [e.g. remove the last thing drawn].

Or, you can pull down the arrow beside the Undo backwards-arrow and pick on the thing down in the list that you want to Undo back through, and it will pass through all the other subsequent ones together:

Picking on "Rectangle" there will remove the [in your example description] Rectangle in one step, rather than in two U commands with reversal of Zooming/Panning combined.

However, in either case it will leave you at the view / zoom level where you were when you drew the Rectangle. The only way to remove it without changing your current view / zoom level is to Erase it.

Re: enough is enough.

Scottu2 — Sat, 21 Sep 2019 02:40:07 GMT

Hello Java868,

Try changing the Undo command setting from One to Combine.