topic Re: Terminal block with jumpers in AutoCAD Electrical Forum

Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Tue, 04 Apr 2017 15:18:03 GMT

The terminals X1 and X2 have four terminals.

Terminal Properties X1: 1

Terminal Properties X2: 1

I used the Pick to connect the terminals to the multi-level terminal block X1

I used the Add/Modifi to connect the terminals to the multi-level terminal block X2

Wire numbering error X2

What error?

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

Icemanau — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 01:21:07 GMT

That's the wire number. If you look up a few images to where you show the X2:1 terminal properties, you can see that the wire number there is also showing as '3' instead of '2'.

The TSE does NOT modify any wire numbers, it uses what is already associated with the wire.

So I would say that there is no mistake in the TSE but in the numbering of the wire (possibly dyslexic fingers) which is a separate process.

If you re-number the wire from '3' to '2' then it will be corrected.

Regards Brad

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 07:18:39 GMT

The problem, really, is in the numbering of wires.
The terminals are connected by jumpers - this means that the connected wires have the same number.
On a simple scheme, this error is easy to detect.
It is much more difficult to fix errors with the numbering of wires in a large project. What solutions are available?

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 11:47:47 GMT

Can you share the drawing with me, so I can have a deeper look at what's happening?

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Wed, 05 Apr 2017 15:03:19 GMT

I used AutoCAD Electrical 2018

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

Icemanau — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 00:54:44 GMT

As I said in my previous post, the TSE does not have any ability to change wire numbers.

It reads the existing number of the wire and uses whatever data is there in the columns.

To fix the wrong wire number, you need to go back to the wire and use the Edit Wire Number tool to change the wire number to the correct number.

For wires that are connected through a series of JUMPERED terminals, I make sure the terminals are set as jumpered in the schematic and number the first wire only. On the other wires, I use the Wire Number COPY tool. This means that they are all tied together to the first wire and show that.

The only other thing to make note of is to use the correct terminal type. This is normally the terminal type that passes the wire number along.

Regards Brad

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 07:29:44 GMT

If the terminals are connected by an internal jumper, the wires connected to them must have the same number - this is one electrical circuit.

If you use Pick to connect multiple terminals to one multi-level terminal, the circuit wires are numbered correctly.

If you use Add/Modify, then the circuit wires are numbered with an error.

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 13:51:27 GMT

I removed the internal jumper, replaced it, and rebuild the database. Then it worked. Working on finding out why 😄

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 14:48:52 GMT

I removed the wire numbers and the internal jumper.

Replaced the internal jumper and the wire numbers.

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:27:32 GMT

I'm not able to figure out exactly what's happened here, but the last terminal is missing information.

Here's a screenshot form the project database:

The last terminal is missing the 501-row.

I'm not sure why this happens, but here's a "workaround".

If I copy/paste the block properties in the catalog from/to the same terminal within the TSE, everything is fine. This screencast shows my procedure:

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 07:36:46 GMT

Thank you, rhesusminus!

You always help me!

You have a lot of work on the forum - many questions that require a quick response.

I do not know about you, but it makes me happy.

Many questions mean a lot of interest in AutoCAD Electrical.

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Fri, 07 Apr 2017 14:09:59 GMT

Really no problem @galashkina

I just want the AcadE experience to be as good as possible for the AcadE users.

It's not the best ECAD program out there, but hey... Let's at least try to make the best of it!

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 09:02:38 GMT

I changed the wire number for each section of the electrical circuit.

Here is a terminal block

Something to do with the numbering of wires for terminal blocks with jumpers.

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:35:36 GMT

Is the wire numbering set to "per wire basis" in the project parameters?

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:57:25 GMT

No, "per wire basis" is not active.

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 12:38:56 GMT

And, still, you get different sure number on the 4 wires.
Can you post the drawing?

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Wed, 12 Apr 2017 13:18:15 GMT

@rhesusminus wrote:
And, still, you get different sure number on the 4 wires.
Can you post the drawing?

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:22:18 GMT

Ah.. So, the problem is, that if you assign wire numbers "manually", by using the edit wire number function, you are able to give the wires different wire numbers, even though they were supposed to be the same, as the terminals are jumpered.

I kind of like the idea that you can FORCE wire number like this, which is what i believe the edit wire number function is for.
BUT.. You really should get some kind of error message somewhere, that says that this is "wrong".

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

galashkina — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:44:55 GMT

Can be checked the values in column Wire and highlight the detected errors.

Re: Terminal block with jumpers

rhesusminus — Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:16:11 GMT

Yeah. Easy now, but when you have 500 terminals...