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Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

am_wilkins — Wed, 13 Mar 2024 14:18:24 GMT

Hi,

I've noticed that Arnold keep freezing on "Updating Node" on both CPU and GPU.

Usually it will sit forever at this point and any while the Houdini scene remains functional, any attempt to interrupt the render will cause Houdini to freeze and require and "End Task".

Example below, the scene should cache (Restart Arnold or new render) within 5 seconds, however left for over 10mins nothing happens.

Trying to restart render, switch back to OpenGL, etc. will cause Houdini to freeze.

Attempt at interrupt:

all the best,

amwilkins

Houdini Core Version 20.0.590
Arnold Core: 7.2.5.2

HotA: 6.2.5.2

CPU: AMD Ryzen TR 3990x

RAM: 128GB
GPU: NVIDIA RTX A4000
OS: Windows

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

Stephen.Blair — Wed, 13 Mar 2024 22:44:16 GMT

Hi Andrew

I had a similar report from another user, and I've been trying to repro. But no luck with that so far.

I'm not sure what's in the scene that requires that much "updating nodes"
Maybe you could send a log from another render that gives me an idea? DM it if you prefer, or use the support channel: support@arnoldrenderer.com

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

am_wilkins — Fri, 15 Mar 2024 12:36:58 GMT

I can try to provide more information. Proper logs are still not always successful for me, especially though Husk.

The scene itself is actually quite small and basic, those nodes are likely some geo based grass instanced to points.

thanks,
amwilkins

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

Stephen.Blair — Fri, 15 Mar 2024 13:27:43 GMT

On Windows, if you set HOUDINI_TEXT_CONSOLE=1, you should get all the Arnold log in a command prompt window. I have this in my package file:

{"HOUDINI_TEXT_CONSOLE": [ { "value": "1", "method": "append" } ] },

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

am_wilkins — Wed, 27 Mar 2024 10:04:29 GMT

Thanks, I'll have to try this out cause not seeing logs is frustrating.

amwilkins

ps. in initial testing Redshift automatically always saves a log out to a file, which is cool to see.

Maybe some functionality like that will help you get logs from users in the future.

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

am_wilkins — Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:19:03 GMT

Hi,

I caught a scene that was doing this, however the logs don't seem very useful:

03:26:32 12338MB | OIDN Device Enum, Device 0 : NVIDIA RTX A4000 03:26:32 12339MB | OIDN Device Enum, Device 1 : AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X 64-Core Processor 03:26:32 12341MB | default OIDN device created 03:26:32 12343MB | Selected OIDN Device Type: CUDA 03:26:33 12678MB | creating root object list ... 03:26:33 12678MB | the following procedurals were initialized serially: 03:26:33 12678MB | instancer (27 instances) 03:26:33 12678MB | node initialization done in 0:07.44 (multithreaded) 03:26:33 12678MB | updating 305710 nodes

It was rendering fine, I stopped the render, made some adjustments and started it again. Then it just sits on " Updating all 305710 nodes" indefinitely until I'm force to try cancel the render. In which case Houdini freezes.

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

francoislord — Sat, 06 Apr 2024 01:38:54 GMT

Here are 1 million PigHeads instanced on a grid.

In houdini-19.5.752 with htoa-6.2.4.1.

(view in My Videos)

Smooth updates in the IPR when orbiting and panning the camera.

Here is the exact same USD file in houdini-20.0.590 with htoa-6.2.5.2.

(view in My Videos)

The time to first pixel is about the same, but the rendering speed is slower, and there's a significant lag when orbiting the camera, and an even greater lag when panning the camera.

This is consistant in all scenes.

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

francoislord — Fri, 26 Apr 2024 12:30:08 GMT

@Stephen.Blair can you aknowledge this? Can you reproduce on your side?

Thanks!

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

Stephen.Blair — Fri, 26 Apr 2024 13:10:22 GMT

No, I don't have a repro

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

klaus.skovbo — Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:40:04 GMT

Hi,

I have the same issue on Houdini 20.0.653 and HtoA 6.3.1.0 where if I tumble the camera around the scene I get "Updating xxxx nodes" in the Solaris viewport. The scene I am rendering have millions of grass instances. Exact same issue as the videos @francoislord posted above. - If I disable the pointInstancer the viewport works as expected.

Was a solution found to this problem?

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

thiago.ize — Thu, 15 Aug 2024 20:42:24 GMT

There's been a bunch of releases since htoa 6.3.1 (currently we're at 6.3.3.1). It's possible one of these might have fixed this issue? If not, then a repro would help.

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

francoislord — Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:31:47 GMT

I just tried it with Houdini 20.5 and HtoA 6.3.3.1 and the refresh rate is much better. It's still a lot slower than Karma, but it's much better than it was a few months ago.

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

Stephen.Blair — Fri, 16 Aug 2024 17:40:47 GMT

I don't see any "updating nodes" messages, but I can see the IPR update (for example, for camera moves) is much slower in the the newer Houdini/HtoA

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

klaus.skovbo — Sat, 17 Aug 2024 16:33:18 GMT

Hey,

I updated to 20.5 and HtoA 6.3.3.1 - It fixed the "Updating Nodes". However, I now see a "initializing light accel" between each iteration of sampling. This is with the instances activated (again millions of instances). If I deactivate the instances, the viewport interaction is super fast and responsive.

Re: Arnold constantly freezing on "Updating Nodes"

Stephen.Blair — Tue, 27 Aug 2024 13:17:31 GMT

I can't reproduce any problems like that.

Not unless I have HDARNOLD_DEBUG_SCENE set (that writes out a debug ass file for every render).