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Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:02:51 GMT

Hi Everyone.

Does anyone know how to add the overall dimension of an assembly if system lines of the MP do not extend to the ends:

Any help/ or idea would be appreciated.

This will be also helpful for columns where system lines end at cap plates, and if there is added material above the cap plates (special moment connections, clips etc)

Thank you.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

Sebastian_Eiche — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:43:52 GMT

Therefore there're dimension point for mainpart extrem left and right.

I thought there're a few detail styles which already use it. I'm not familiar with the USA version, maybe you have a look in the international version.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:09:55 GMT

Hi @Sebastian_Eiche

Tried the International version, Beam and Assembly UCS, no overall dimensions either.

Will try digging further, it is just on some repetitive bridge projects, for example, assemblies do not always have MP system line ending at the very end of the assembly.

Thank you for the input.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

robertwmerriman1 — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:13:17 GMT

Hi @acbsdesign

Same as @Sebastian_Eiche I'm not familiar with the US build but in the GBR build we use MP Colli dimensions for overall dimensions, although not at my machine to see if there is anything different

https://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/advance-steel/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Advance-Steel-How-to-add-the-overall-dimension-of-an-assembly-in-the-drawing-style.html

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Fri, 16 Apr 2021 21:21:43 GMT

@robertwmerriman1

Thank you for the input,

We don't have an "Assembly parts" category as described

My dim request is already dimensioning MP-ColliDimensions, but it is taking the system points. This applies to all DWG Styles-Beam, Column, and all my own created.

Thanks again for chiming in.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

Sebastian_Eiche — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:03:46 GMT

Could you have a look for your dimpoints?
I tried it with the MP - Assembly overall and it's working on my side:

It looks the same like yours, but it the result is definetly not just using the systemlines ( I expand a beam with endplates without expanding the systemline):

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 10:58:03 GMT

@Sebastian_Eiche

Thank you for the input,

What is the result if you weld second end plate to the already created one.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

Sebastian_Eiche — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:06:07 GMT

here's a screencast: https://autode.sk/3tv1wNi

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:49:18 GMT

Hi @Sebastian_Eiche

It does not work with the same dimension requests used.

I deleted all dim. for assembly UCS, and added only the two MP-..-View, just to test, and they still dimension only the MP, not the added material to the right:

Assembly Overall Dimension

Re: Assembly overall dimension

Sebastian_Eiche — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 14:52:55 GMT

very strange. Could you compare, if there's something changed in this line on your side?

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Mon, 19 Apr 2021 15:16:28 GMT

Yes, same here:

Thank you.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

Sebastian_Eiche — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:19:57 GMT

I saw you create a bug thread for it. I tested it with the original USA database and it works on my side, but I could not see a difference to your settings.
I'm sure you tested it, but do you try another model?

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:20:56 GMT

@Sebastian_Eiche

I have created a new test model, and I will copy screenshots of my settings:

This is a short screencast:

Screencast

Not sure what is going on, but it does not work in the International version either.

The last thing I want is to take from dev's time, or your time, but something does not look right.

Have a great day.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Tue, 20 Apr 2021 12:25:09 GMT

And the rest of the settings (servers do not work well, had to be in two posts):

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Fri, 07 May 2021 16:21:09 GMT

@Sebastian_Eiche

Hi Sebastian,

If something is not right it does not let me live with it for a long time, and this is one of those things.

So I spent an hour or two today to find what is going on and if I need to fix my settings.

1. Sample column with added dummy end plate:

Model built in USA version, detailed in International version (with zero customization)-Overall Dim's behave same as if detailed in USA version.

2. Model built with International Version, same used for detailing (Column dwg style)

-Dimensions work as supposed to be.

3. Model built with International version, USA version used for detailing, used a simplified exported dwg style from International Version:

-DIMENSIONS WORK AS THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE

4. Same model used that was started in International Version, but a second column was built using USA version, detailed using same exported dwg style that produced good dimension if the column was built with International Version:

IT IS NOT WORKING.

SAME MODEL, SAME DWG STYLE. ONE COLUMN BUILT WITH AN INTERNATIONAL VERSION, SECOND WITH USA VERSION.

I know that you have paths to devs are shorter than mine.

And I also know you are as passionate as I am about this software if not more-please forward this for review.

Thank you,

I hope you will have a great weekend.

Re: Assembly overall dimension

acbsdesign — Sat, 08 May 2021 14:32:23 GMT

It is coming from AstorSettings.

It works as it is supposed to be with all files from USA Installation, except for AstorSettings.

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Sebastian_Eiche — Mon, 10 May 2021 06:13:28 GMT

that's really interesting. So if you change your Profile in the management tool, to the original one, does it work? Because I tried it with the original USA databases and it works on my side.

If it's not working with the original profile, maybe there was an issue in an older version and my migrating the defaults, this problem occurs?
So we had to test and find the difference

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acbsdesign — Mon, 10 May 2021 11:46:23 GMT

@Sebastian_Eiche wrote:
that's really interesting. So if you change your Profile in the management tool, to the original one, does it work? Because I tried it with the original USA databases and it works on my side.
If it's not working with the original profile, maybe there was an issue in an older version and my migrating the defaults, this problem occurs?
So we had to test and find the difference

Hi Sebastian,

It is working with the default Settings.

And it is working with mine if I start in International Version.

Weird, I change only colors, hide zeros, etc. in MT, it shouldn't make any difference for dimensioning.

Thank you for the input.

Have a great day.

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Sebastian_Eiche — Mon, 10 May 2021 12:32:16 GMT

that is really strange, maybe @Emanuel.Nestor have an idea?

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Emanuel.Nestor — Mon, 10 May 2021 15:20:45 GMT

Hi @acbsdesign

Indeed interesting.

Could you please upload the model and the generated detail -> the ones showing the issue with MP Colli dimension ?

Thank you

Emy