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    <title>topic Line morphs severely when adding any modifier in 3ds Max Modeling Forum</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am making a cloth wich folds around itself, pretty simple.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;For all cloth related jobs i use the same technique, and it always works out pretty well.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I make a line, place my Vertexes as desired, add extrude for the length, and then add a shell for the thickness.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have done this for a few weeks now without any problems, and always use the same settings, but now all of a sudden it crashes severely without any reason. Wich is sometimes so frustrating about MAX, it works fine for weeks on end, and then all of a sudden it completely destroys itself without any reason...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Anyways, let me show you guys the steps i took:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_0-1749645291844.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542512i2BB6027B5723BFE6/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_0-1749645291844.png" alt="n_maasdijk_0-1749645291844.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the modeled line, nothing special as far as i can see.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_1-1749645407512.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542514iA1E8D003B1EBEE6B/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_1-1749645407512.png" alt="n_maasdijk_1-1749645407512.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now i use the extrude modifier and it warps itself in the bend to an extreme thin point (While extrude is not even supposed to add thickness...)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But i could live with that, but now lets add the shell modifer:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_2-1749645820834.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542518i788F83275B8E12E9/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_2-1749645820834.png" alt="n_maasdijk_2-1749645820834.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now the overly thin edge dissapears, but it adds this strange blob.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_3-1749645899982.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542519i3CF0D89CBEB3622E/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_3-1749645899982.png" alt="n_maasdijk_3-1749645899982.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It goed across the entire shape, and when i want to make a cut in my cloth with the use of a boolean operator, as soon at it reaches that blob, the entire scene crashes...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It looks like it a vertex point, but after having checked every option of that vertex it shows nothing abnormal&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Anyone maybe knows a solution to this?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Nick&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2025 12:47:14 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>n_maasdijk</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2025-06-11T12:47:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Line morphs severely when adding any modifier</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-modeling-forum/line-morphs-severely-when-adding-any-modifier/m-p/13676672#M20983</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hello,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I am making a cloth wich folds around itself, pretty simple.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;For all cloth related jobs i use the same technique, and it always works out pretty well.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I make a line, place my Vertexes as desired, add extrude for the length, and then add a shell for the thickness.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I have done this for a few weeks now without any problems, and always use the same settings, but now all of a sudden it crashes severely without any reason. Wich is sometimes so frustrating about MAX, it works fine for weeks on end, and then all of a sudden it completely destroys itself without any reason...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Anyways, let me show you guys the steps i took:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_0-1749645291844.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542512i2BB6027B5723BFE6/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_0-1749645291844.png" alt="n_maasdijk_0-1749645291844.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Here is the modeled line, nothing special as far as i can see.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_1-1749645407512.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542514iA1E8D003B1EBEE6B/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_1-1749645407512.png" alt="n_maasdijk_1-1749645407512.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now i use the extrude modifier and it warps itself in the bend to an extreme thin point (While extrude is not even supposed to add thickness...)&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But i could live with that, but now lets add the shell modifer:&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_2-1749645820834.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542518i788F83275B8E12E9/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_2-1749645820834.png" alt="n_maasdijk_2-1749645820834.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Now the overly thin edge dissapears, but it adds this strange blob.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="n_maasdijk_3-1749645899982.png" style="width: 400px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/1542519i3CF0D89CBEB3622E/image-size/medium?v=v2&amp;amp;px=400" role="button" title="n_maasdijk_3-1749645899982.png" alt="n_maasdijk_3-1749645899982.png" /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It goed across the entire shape, and when i want to make a cut in my cloth with the use of a boolean operator, as soon at it reaches that blob, the entire scene crashes...&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;It looks like it a vertex point, but after having checked every option of that vertex it shows nothing abnormal&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Anyone maybe knows a solution to this?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thanks!&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Nick&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2025 12:47:14 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-modeling-forum/line-morphs-severely-when-adding-any-modifier/m-p/13676672#M20983</guid>
      <dc:creator>n_maasdijk</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-11T12:47:14Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Line morphs severely when adding any modifier</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-modeling-forum/line-morphs-severely-when-adding-any-modifier/m-p/13684510#M20985</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;What version of Max? What other plugins do you have installed? Was the spline imported from another app? If yes, which app and what version?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Have you tried 'Reset XForm' on the spline before adding modifiers?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;You could also create a temporary spline and attach the problem spline to it then delete the temporary segment.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Or merge the problem spline into a new file and see if the problem persists.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Otherwise, it would be helpful to test the problem file (delete all the other stuff and save as a copy).&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2025 21:43:20 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>Casey_H_</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-16T21:43:20Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Line morphs severely when adding any modifier</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-modeling-forum/line-morphs-severely-when-adding-any-modifier/m-p/13687972#M20986</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;The direction of the Extrude seems wrong, unless you intended it to go in that direction.&amp;nbsp; But it is difficult to tell what angle you're viewing your model at.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;The weird 'knot' blob you're seeing is likely due to a vertex there that has it's bezier handles in the wrong direction, causing a small loop in the spline.&amp;nbsp; Convert it to Smooth, then back to bezier or bezier corner, and adjust as needed.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 18:37:50 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-modeling-forum/line-morphs-severely-when-adding-any-modifier/m-p/13687972#M20986</guid>
      <dc:creator>CAMedeck</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2025-06-18T18:37:50Z</dc:date>
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