topic Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink in 3ds Max Forum

3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Anonymous — Thu, 17 Dec 2015 14:38:20 GMT

-Create some objects, scale them if you want 🙂

-Create group

-Scale this new group, rotate and move if you want

-Ungroup

Scales reset to original values, but angles and positions - not

with link/unlink some troubles 😞

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

surrealismo — Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:24:16 GMT

same here.... if you mirror a group and after that, you ungroup it, everything mess up.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

jneilon — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 16:51:32 GMT

We are having the same issue on two different machines with two differnt projects. This is a big issue.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

jneilon — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:03:53 GMT

I submitted a bug report.

Heres how to replicate:

Grouping
- Make object
- Scale object
- Group Object
- Scale group
- Ungroup
- Scale bug happens

Linking
- Make object
- Make dummy
- Scale dummy
- Link object to dummy
- Scale bug happens

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

PROH — Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:42:49 GMT

AFAIK the only way to solve it for now, is to uninstall SP2 😞

Hoping to see a fix soon.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

spacefrog_ — Sat, 16 Jan 2016 06:53:16 GMT

Yes - a pretty bad bug that slipped through here...

Let's hope for a SP3 and a quick intermediate hotfix until a full SP3 is ready ...

BTW:

The bug is related to hierarchies in general ( which groups are internally ). As soon as you link/unlink an object from a hierarchy, the object transform changes

I noticed that toggling one of the position or rotation inherit checkboxes in the hierarchy panel ->Link Info->inherit rollout TWO TIMES in a row might fix the object transform in question. This might help in simple hierarchis, but honestly i did not test that to much extent

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Anonymous — Tue, 19 Jan 2016 11:09:55 GMT

Hi everyone,

Same problem here. Very annoying bug. Does anyone find a workaround ?

Thanks

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

jandrewg — Thu, 21 Jan 2016 17:18:09 GMT

Same problem. Reset Scale fixes for basic stuff but for complex rigs this isn't an option.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Anonymous — Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:17:55 GMT

Well that's rough...

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Przemyslaw_Stachyra — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:34:17 GMT

I've written about this bug on two Autodesk's Facebook profiles, their Twitter, sent three messages to customer service and I've received one reply "Please, contact your reseller".

For Autodesk to watch:

https://youtu.be/gz5nooD3tPM

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Florian.Coenen — Wed, 27 Jan 2016 11:54:31 GMT

Hello,

I can confirm the issue and wanted to inform you that this is already forwarded to the development with a high priority in order to fix that as soon as possible and the development is working hard to get that fixed.

In the meantime I would recommend to uninstall SP2.

I just wanted to let you know guys, that the issues with SP2 are really taken seriously here at Autodesk and we are doing our best to get that solved.

Best Regards,

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

aga_architects — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 03:17:27 GMT

My workaround to this issue:

1.Open group

2.Select the group (the lines showing the 4 corners of the group boundary)

3.Under hierarchy-> Adjust Transform tab ->Reset: -> Click Scale

4.Close group

5.Ungroup without issues.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

renar-visuals — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:55:27 GMT

Imagine doing this each time you work with groups. Ain't nobody have time for that. If there aren't bugfixes and features that you absolutely need, just uninstall SP2 until this is fixed. For me it's problem solved. Now waiting for SP3 or hotfix. Hopefully everything works fine then.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

aga_architects — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:32:45 GMT

Point taken. By that you mean we are able to easily uninstall SP2, and rollback to SP1? Because I need SP 1 to help with the viewport lag while working with groups.

Best regards,
Vincent Goh

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

surrealismo — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:36:55 GMT

yes. you can uninstall sp2 without any problem.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Przemyslaw_Stachyra — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:40:32 GMT

I did that but then Max stopped launching. After error there was an information that I should install SP2 🙂

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

PROH — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:47:17 GMT

When uninstalling SP2, you must first uninstall EX2 if it's installed. EX2 needs SP2 to work, and will give errors without.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

mhaZe23 — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:37:47 GMT

I´m wondering why it takes so long to fix this problem, which was reported early in mid-December.

Going back to SP1 isn´t quite a good solution, because when you reverse back you´d be faced with the "multiple groups massively slow down the viewport" problem. If you do the xform-modifer and collapse, you loose the stack and the instance. You could save down to a former version, loose all the nested layer structure, do your thing, re-open in max2016 and continue. Not nice.

Best workaround somebody mentioned before: Select the mirrored object(s), go to the Hierarchy panel and press "Reset:Transform".

This is a serious bug which makes working with the program useless when you don´t know a workaround. After getting the second ServicePack months after release! Who is responsible for this? And we´re in the second month this bug occured! Where is the fix? Is the programming team too busy with version 2017?

I do archviz work in a small studio, how are you supposed to work reliably with this tool under deadlines? It leeds to the question who takes care of proper beta testing the software under work conditions. Surely no serious workers in the customer business.

Autodesk-Shareholders, you think that´s good stock value?? And soon with version 2017, same procedure as last year?

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

HM-MercPOC — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:58:46 GMT

I am having this issue as well in Max 2016 SP2, and wanted to post a potential solution that seems to have worked for me -

Issue - Create objects and group them. Scale the group to a random size. Click "Ungroup" under the "Group" heading and then all objects disperse in various locations, smaller than what you've scaled the group to.

Solution - What I've found to help is in stead of clicking "Ungroup" to manipulate one of the grouped objects individually, if you click "Open Recursively" (under the same "Group" heading), you should be able to manipulate the individual pieces of that group without losing the scaling that you've scaled the group to.

Haven't taken the time to look up what is exactly happening when doing this, as I'm on a tight deadline atm, but it seems to have provided me the solution I need for now.

Hope this helps someone else.

Re: 3ds max 2016 sp2 bug with group/ungroup and link/unlink

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:11:45 GMT

The only problem is when you've already deployed thé sp2 on 100+ stations..