topic Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies in 3ds Max Animation and Rigging Forum

patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 09:30:31 GMT

good day. Task: run the train along the rails. I try to realize this with the help of a bundle of "patch constraint" and "spline IKsolver" but I suddenly encountered an unpleasant problem. not all links lie strictly on the spline, especially for the "tail" of the chain, it is almost always located outside the spline. And this means that the "wagons" will be off the rails! Are there any adjustments to the accuracy of the position of each link?

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

leeminardi — Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:21:02 GMT

You could try increasing the Interpolation Steps of the spline and see if that is the issue. The IK solver may be using a more precise interpolation of the spline than the display interpolation.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

Anonymous — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 09:54:23 GMT

Thanks for your reply! 🙂 Sorry, my mistake, I did not list my attempts at a solution. Of course, first of all I tried to change the parameter "steps" of the original spline. No result. Even if you set "0", IKsolver, it seems, produces interpolation of the spline itself, so this parameter does not affect anything. Also, I found in the settings tab "inverse kinematics" (see the file) and tried to change the range. No result. Tried to even change the tolerances in the roll "rotational joints" (see the file), in the IK parameters of each of the bones in the chain! %)

There was an assumption that error is accumulated with each bunch of bones. But I did chains of 3 long bones and 25 short bones, in both cases, the degree of "runaway" of the tail is the same.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

leeminardi — Fri, 29 Jun 2018 11:24:09 GMT

Can you post a file with just the bones and path?

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

Anonymous — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 07:33:33 GMT

Sure, just a file created specifically for experiments. But even here this inaccuracy is reflected very well.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

leeminardi — Sat, 30 Jun 2018 13:30:54 GMT

The images below show the spline in your file with the default interpolation setting of 8 and then set to 18. As you can see the bone's position doesn't change but the smoothness of the spline does displaying a better match between the path and the bone.

Bezier, B-splines, and NURBS are precise continuous functions. They are evaluated for display purposes at a given increment of an independent variable (t). A step size of 6 means that the spline will be represented by 6 straight line chords. The smaller the step size the more chords and precision (and thus more processing). The IK solver is using a smaller step size to evaluated the path than the display software.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

Anonymous — Sun, 01 Jul 2018 00:50:23 GMT

But this is not just a display problem. Here is the spline, its steps are set to 20. The spline is the target for the "spacing tool" tool and for the ik solver, and their path solutions do not match. Moreover, the closer to the tail, the greater the divergence. Here is my problem.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

leeminardi — Mon, 02 Jul 2018 13:53:16 GMT

I can't provide much more help without examining the actual Max file.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

RGhost77 — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 07:59:52 GMT

Check and vote for the improvement of SplineIK because for now, SplineIK is buggy and far from calculations accuracy. 😞

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

Anonymous — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 08:37:12 GMT

Thank you for your help.

Re: patch constraint + spline IKsolver inaccuracies

leeminardi — Tue, 03 Jul 2018 13:24:17 GMT

Here are a couple of interesting links on the topic.

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-modeling/spline-ik-pathing-issue/td-p/5862723

https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/spline-ik-solver-precision-problem/td-p/4888188