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    <title>topic Problem with cloth simulation for manga hair in 3ds Max Animation and Rigging Forum</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi ^^&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I've a problem since a week and I don't know how to solve it... I try to make a hair simulation with cloth modifiers wich collide on the body of my character. But... it collide a little on the back and nothing on the front! why?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;There is screenshots I made to illustrate. "cheveux" are hair and "corps" is body (I'm french)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Also, why my sim take so long? I try to tesselate the body and/or subdivide it because somebody tell me to try that... it's because of that? My computer is nearly new and I've a very good setup...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks for your help!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="there is the first frame" style="width: 999px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576506iF5CEAE5449F0561D/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.42.20.png" alt="there is the first frame" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;there is the first frame&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it's the group &amp;quot;root&amp;quot; i made to maintain the hair" style="width: 999px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576505iB3025C23B45EE62D/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 08.42.42.png" alt="it's the group &amp;quot;root&amp;quot; i made to maintain the hair" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it's the group "root" i made to maintain the hair&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="some settings of cloth modifiers" style="width: 212px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576503i7919B216650D77BE/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.46.37.png" alt="some settings of cloth modifiers" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;some settings of cloth modifiers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="settings of body" style="width: 486px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576507iC8D67BA283760A88/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.41.34.png" alt="settings of body" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;settings of body&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="setting of hair" style="width: 473px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576508i12EACD4DB094791F/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.41.29.png" alt="setting of hair" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;setting of hair&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it goes through the body a little" style="width: 693px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576504i0E151250DB9EC8BC/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.46.26.png" alt="it goes through the body a little" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it goes through the body a little&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it goes through a lot!" style="width: 707px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576509iAA7BF94FCD27CDA7/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.40.38.png" alt="it goes through a lot!" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it goes through a lot!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it's the time for the sim! I have a nearly new computer..." style="width: 358px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576510i8E9D19CDFB07C49A/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-02 19.09.54.png" alt="it's the time for the sim! I have a nearly new computer..." /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it's the time for the sim! I have a nearly new computer...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 07:59:26 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2018-12-03T07:59:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Problem with cloth simulation for manga hair</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8440254#M4699</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Hi ^^&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;I've a problem since a week and I don't know how to solve it... I try to make a hair simulation with cloth modifiers wich collide on the body of my character. But... it collide a little on the back and nothing on the front! why?&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;There is screenshots I made to illustrate. "cheveux" are hair and "corps" is body (I'm french)&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Also, why my sim take so long? I try to tesselate the body and/or subdivide it because somebody tell me to try that... it's because of that? My computer is nearly new and I've a very good setup...&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Thanks for your help!&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="there is the first frame" style="width: 999px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576506iF5CEAE5449F0561D/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.42.20.png" alt="there is the first frame" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;there is the first frame&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it's the group &amp;quot;root&amp;quot; i made to maintain the hair" style="width: 999px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576505iB3025C23B45EE62D/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 08.42.42.png" alt="it's the group &amp;quot;root&amp;quot; i made to maintain the hair" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it's the group "root" i made to maintain the hair&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="some settings of cloth modifiers" style="width: 212px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576503i7919B216650D77BE/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.46.37.png" alt="some settings of cloth modifiers" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;some settings of cloth modifiers&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="settings of body" style="width: 486px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576507iC8D67BA283760A88/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.41.34.png" alt="settings of body" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;settings of body&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="setting of hair" style="width: 473px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576508i12EACD4DB094791F/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.41.29.png" alt="setting of hair" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;setting of hair&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it goes through the body a little" style="width: 693px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576504i0E151250DB9EC8BC/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.46.26.png" alt="it goes through the body a little" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it goes through the body a little&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it goes through a lot!" style="width: 707px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576509iAA7BF94FCD27CDA7/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-03 07.40.38.png" alt="it goes through a lot!" /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it goes through a lot!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-display-wrapper lia-image-align-inline" image-alt="it's the time for the sim! I have a nearly new computer..." style="width: 358px;"&gt;&lt;img src="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/image/serverpage/image-id/576510i8E9D19CDFB07C49A/image-size/large?v=v2&amp;amp;px=999" role="button" title="Capture d'écran 2018-12-02 19.09.54.png" alt="it's the time for the sim! I have a nearly new computer..." /&gt;&lt;span class="lia-inline-image-caption" onclick="event.preventDefault();"&gt;it's the time for the sim! I have a nearly new computer...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2018 07:59:26 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8440254#M4699</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-03T07:59:26Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Problem with cloth simulation for manga hair</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8443061#M4700</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;nobody can help me?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2018 08:30:52 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8443061#M4700</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-04T08:30:52Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Problem with cloth simulation for manga hair</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8454243#M4701</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Please someone could help me?&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2018 08:55:49 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8454243#M4701</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-08T08:55:49Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Re: Problem with cloth simulation for manga hair</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8454465#M4702</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;The problem that i see here:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;The hair is probably already intersecting with the collider(-&amp;gt;head mesh) at simulation start.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;You are only using 1 subsample. Very likely to low for the faster moving hair.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;This brings down simulation performance as the algortithm tries to solve the collider/cloth intersections.&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;Possible solution:&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;OL&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;You might get away by moving the simulation hair out of the collider first. Make sure the hair-mesh is not intersecting with the collider.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Detach the ponytail and strands from the main hair and simulate only these.Keep the top hair just skinned. Again make sure that they are not intersecting with the collider at start.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;Always make sure you use real world measurement for your objects, so the ponytail should be 20cm in your scene and not 20m or something like that.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;LI&gt;If you see during simulation that the hair goes through the collider, which can happen with fast moving hair, you will need to increase the subsamples.&lt;/LI&gt;
&lt;/OL&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;
&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2018 14:08:27 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/3ds-max-animation-and-rigging/problem-with-cloth-simulation-for-manga-hair/m-p/8454465#M4702</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2018-12-08T14:08:27Z</dc:date>
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