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    <title>tema PC Upgrade en FeatureCAM Forum</title>
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    <description>&lt;P&gt;Looking to upgrade a PC running FeatureCAM 2017.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;i7 vs Xeon - any performance difference in FeatureCAM?&amp;nbsp; In the past I've noticed many of the most time demanding tasks are single threaded, is the best option here to purchase the highest clocked CPU?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Quadro vs Gforce - Considering the Quadro M4000 vs GTX1080.&amp;nbsp; Both are in that $700 range, when it comes to FeatureCAM does the GPU really make a difference?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
    <pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:17:00 GMT</pubDate>
    <dc:creator>pweibeck</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2016-10-18T13:17:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>PC Upgrade</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/pc-upgrade/m-p/6629007#M218</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;Looking to upgrade a PC running FeatureCAM 2017.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;i7 vs Xeon - any performance difference in FeatureCAM?&amp;nbsp; In the past I've noticed many of the most time demanding tasks are single threaded, is the best option here to purchase the highest clocked CPU?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Quadro vs Gforce - Considering the Quadro M4000 vs GTX1080.&amp;nbsp; Both are in that $700 range, when it comes to FeatureCAM does the GPU really make a difference?&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 13:17:00 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>pweibeck</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-10-18T13:17:00Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Betreff: PC Upgrade</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/pc-upgrade/m-p/6635240#M219</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;We upgraded our pc a while ago with xeon and m4000.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I was wondering about the cpu performance and asked the forum too.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&lt;A href="https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/hardware-and-performance/td-p/6558539" target="_blank"&gt;http://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/hardware-and-performance/td-p/6558539&lt;/A&gt;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I don´t think the gpu is that important for FeatureCAM as my M400 is still working at about 20%&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:04:48 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/pc-upgrade/m-p/6635240#M219</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-10-20T17:04:48Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Betreff: PC Upgrade</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/pc-upgrade/m-p/6649292#M233</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;s.brueckner,&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Thank you for your reply.&amp;nbsp; I have long been a PC extreme geek... window mods and water cooling, enough said?&amp;nbsp; I did check the thread you referenced.&amp;nbsp; It would be nice to have a time frame for those reports about&amp;nbsp;lower performance&amp;nbsp;Xeon CPUs platforms.&amp;nbsp; As I recall, 2-3 years ago there was a significant speed delta between the two, both in CPU and&amp;nbsp;memory clock.&amp;nbsp; Today, the Xeon's are often clocked very similarly in CPU and memory interface, so I have reduced this concerns.&amp;nbsp; This time around, I simply do not have the time, so I wound up at Dell.&amp;nbsp; Xeon 3.7GHz, 16gig, Quadro M4000, SSD.&amp;nbsp; I'll share some of what I've seen just for reference.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;I've been using FeatureCAM for... a long time, over 15 years as I recall, but my oldest FM file&amp;nbsp;currently on file is around 2/2002, guess that job's never coming back.&amp;nbsp; The software and hardware has changed significantly over the years, mostly for&amp;nbsp;the better, but over the last 2-3 years I have not seen much improvement.&amp;nbsp; IMO, Windows 7 Pro and 32bit FeatureCAM was a great combination.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In January 2016 I was forced to migrate our internal network structure from&amp;nbsp;Windows 2003 SBS w/ a mix of XP and Windows 7 to Windows 2012 Essentials, Office 365 w/ hosted exchange server and Windows 10.&amp;nbsp; It's been a horrible experience.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;FeatureCAM has forced users into the 64 bit versions with near zero user experience improvements.&amp;nbsp; I have seen no improvement in speed from 32 bit to 64 bit even when working with large files containing STLs.&amp;nbsp; Much of the internal code still appears bound to a single core, making little use of the multi core CPUs.&amp;nbsp; In the Windows 10 environment file conversion from 32 bit to 64 bit takes a MASSIVE hit.&amp;nbsp; Massive is defined as 30 minute file convert times.&amp;nbsp; (hint:&amp;nbsp; Support did share, if you save a 32 bit file as "compressed" it will improve import performance.&amp;nbsp; 30 minutes down to 5).&amp;nbsp; The heartache experienced in migration encouraged me to test FeatureCAM on many platforms.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;v22 64 bit&amp;nbsp;has been tested on:&amp;nbsp; Phenom II, i3, i5, i7, GPUs ranging from integrated intel to GT9800, Radeon 6900, to GTX 670.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The 1st major change which was 100% demanded was migrating from ODBC connectivity for the shared tool database to SQL.&amp;nbsp; v22 was happy with this one change and I'm grateful that FeatureCAM implemented SQL.&amp;nbsp; Learning curve for installing SQL Express was about 1 day.&amp;nbsp; Maintaining backward compatibility is requiring additional effort and is not as easy.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;FeatureCAM performance saw little difference on any platform... until v23 Windows 10 64bit and tombstone simulation.&amp;nbsp; Loading the tombstone fixture with 4 part files which used STLs as input material for 'second side' type operations caused a start simulation wait time of several minutes (over 5 minutes).&amp;nbsp; This is the time elapsed between pressing play in the solid simulation and beginning to see the 1st tool cut.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The PC that was running FeatureCAM was a work horse.&amp;nbsp; Back in 2010 I discovered that old school compatibility for VM machines hosting DOS were supported perfectly by AMD CPUs, P4 and Core 2 broke some basic rules which prohibited support of old Dox programs.&amp;nbsp; I built a Phenom II X5 955, 4Gig, Gforce 9800GT, 7200RPM HD to support some of our legacy work requirements.&amp;nbsp; Upgrading this PC to the Xeon has reduced the time to about&amp;nbsp;2 minutes.&amp;nbsp; My rig is an i7 950 w/ 12gig.&amp;nbsp; Wait time on my rig is also 2 minutes.&amp;nbsp; On both the Xeon and i7 pressing play a second time is less than a 1 minute wait.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;My initial impression is a new PC platform running Windows 10 and FeatureCAM 2017 does result in a significant performance improvement on newer platforms.&amp;nbsp; Moreover, there seems to be little difference between the i7 and current generation Xeon platform performance.&amp;nbsp; Our investment in the Quadro GPU is more of a safe play with little real world improvement just yet.&amp;nbsp; I believe this is a significant statement because new workstation class builds from major manufacturers tend toward Xeon based systems.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;-Peter.&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2016 11:43:35 GMT</pubDate>
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      <dc:creator>pweibeck</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-10-27T11:43:35Z</dc:date>
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      <title>Betreff: PC Upgrade</title>
      <link>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/pc-upgrade/m-p/6653608#M235</link>
      <description>&lt;P&gt;From the above referenced thread, my experiences of Xeon vs I7 were expressly in Partmaker.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;They were also expressly during intense, 5 axis surfacing of bone plates on a mill turn.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;The timeframe was last January.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;While Xeons are included in most CAD/CAM packages from the major builders, there generally is no need for them.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Xeons run best with ECC memory, which is optimized for server type utilization, is not much help shy of a FEM machine. But this optimization comes at a cost... Both financially, and speed wise.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;Xeons can be a better choice for major mutlithreading, but most cam systems don't do much multithreading, with the possible exception of some surfacing routines.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;As I said, the folks at Partmaker had no idea why the I7 was significantly faster than the Xeon, but they found the same results I did after investigations.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;In my experience, less cores, faster clock, and SSD's offer the best bang for the buck. Some people find that gaming cards are every bit as good for their environment as a high end Quadro.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;But really, it all comes down to how you are using the rig. There is no "one size fits all" solution.&lt;/P&gt;&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/P&gt;</description>
      <pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2016 15:41:16 GMT</pubDate>
      <guid>https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/featurecam-forum/pc-upgrade/m-p/6653608#M235</guid>
      <dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
      <dc:date>2016-10-28T15:41:16Z</dc:date>
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