Which is best: "Command" or "Entmake"

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2001

OK Guys it has been suggested this would provoke interesting discussion, so
which is the best to use?
Entmake seems to be more "elegant" programming and avoids standard prompts
etc. but is it really any better/worse than using command?
If this has already been done to death please tell me to nick off and point
me to the past thread(s) 🙂

cheers
Steve

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2001

My 2 cents: It depends. I've found that certain objects are created many
times faster via (command) than (entmake). As a purist though, I tend to
favor (entmake) because of the ability to force things like layer, linetype,
text height, obliquing angle, bulge (that's big one), and such. Doing a
"Find" on my collection of routines just now resulted in a propensity of the
use of (command) to insert blocks, then several to just (command "_.LIST")
objects to keep them highlighted while a user might zoom/pan.

Heed well the admonitions of mixing plain AutoLisp with Active-X.

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"Scribble" wrote in message
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> OK Guys it has been suggested this would provoke interesting discussion,
so
> which is the best to use?
> Entmake seems to be more "elegant" programming and avoids standard prompts
> etc. but is it really any better/worse than using command?
> If this has already been done to death please tell me to nick off and
point
> me to the past thread(s) 🙂
>
> cheers
> Steve
>
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2001

Thanks to all who replied.
Very informative and I guess I still have to decide each case on it's
merits.
As I'm fairly new to this newsgroup I had to load heaps more headers to get
the previous posts, but I have now read them.
Reading through past posts has shown a lot of effort CAN be put int
entmaking.
For what it's worth I attach a layer setting routine I wrote some time ago
where instead of creating layers from scratch I first get layer "0"'s entity
to modify. I'm sure this could be used in other instances to avoid syntax
errors?
Please realize this code is not optimised, I do realize there is a fair bit
of redundancy but similar to many of yourselves I was teaching myself as I
went and haven't gone back to "fix" something that works 🙂
cheers
Steve

John Uhden wrote in message
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> My 2 cents: It depends. I've found that certain objects are created many
> times faster via (command) than (entmake). As a purist though, I tend to
> favor (entmake) because of the ability to force things like layer,
linetype,
> text height, obliquing angle, bulge (that's big one), and such. Doing a
> "Find" on my collection of routines just now resulted in a propensity of
the
> use of (command) to insert blocks, then several to just (command "_.LIST")
> objects to keep them highlighted while a user might zoom/pan.

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2001

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2001

No crashes here either. I do 3 purges every time I qsave, and have never had
it crash.

--
Ken Alexander
Acad2000
Win2000prof.

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"Luis Esquivel" wrote in message
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> Nothing to be with this thread but just as comment:
>
> How to make AutoCAD crash (very easy at least in my computer a2k adt, win
> pro, drawings in a network)
>
> Run this several times (+)
> (defun C:PA()(repeat 3 (command "_.purge" "_a" "*" "_n"))(princ))(princ)
>
> and the call a macro like this
> (defun C:S () (command "qsave") (princ))
>
> -luis
>
>

Anonymous · ‎10-02-2001

For anyone new to using entmake these skeletons make help speed up writing
the code. They are old and a bit cruddy but its a place to start. I have a
similar file for dimensions (with the -3 group style overrides). It's even
cruddier; too big to post here. If anyone is interested I'll put it on the
customer files ng.

Maybe we could pass these around as a group, make additions/corrections, use
more descriptive/standardized variable names, add comments--whatever.
--
Cliff

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

Cliff,
Have you posted the dimension file to Customer Files? I have not been
able to find it. I am new at lisp and am very interested in learning how to
use entmake compared to command.
A great big THANKS to you and everyone else who so freely give their
time and knowledge to others in need. I, for one, could not have learned as
much as I have if it were not for all of you.

--
John R. Scott - CAD Tech.
ms consultants
Columbus, OH

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

Didn't crash for me in A2k or A2k2. I would suspect a reactor on your
system?

--
R. Robert Bell, MCSE
http://www.acadx.com

"Luis Esquivel" wrote in message
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| Nothing to be with this thread but just as comment:
|
| How to make AutoCAD crash (very easy at least in my computer a2k adt, win
| pro, drawings in a network)
|
| Run this several times (+)
| (defun C:PA()(repeat 3 (command "_.purge" "_a" "*" "_n"))(princ))(princ)
|
| and the call a macro like this
| (defun C:S () (command "qsave") (princ))
|
| -luis
|
|

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

"Cliff Middleton" wrote in message
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> Luis,
>
> I recently discovered the old triple purge can be replaced with
> (vla-purgeall (vla-get-activeDocument (vlax-get-acad-object))). I admit
> though I haven't tested or compared results on the two methods of purging.
> --

I know about this Cliff, I stop using this approach because causes to delete
new layouts, even if you do a save.

Test:
Create new layouts
(vla-purgeall (vla-get-activeDocument (vlax-get-acad-object)))
command: regen

The problem was coming from a release 14.0 block, with a blockname "" and
after runining a audit and then later using the 3 times purge all (also
cause the crash).

Solved! Thank you all and sorry for getting out of the scope of this thread.

Regards,
-Luis

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

You are the first to ask. Look for thread "dim skeletons" in cf.
--
Cliff

"John Scott" wrote in message
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| Cliff,
| Have you posted the dimension file to Customer Files? I have not been
| able to find it. I am new at lisp and am very interested in learning how
to
| use entmake compared to command.
| A great big THANKS to you and everyone else who so freely give their
| time and knowledge to others in need. I, for one, could not have learned
as
| much as I have if it were not for all of you.
|
|
| --
| John R. Scott - CAD Tech.
| ms consultants
| Columbus, OH
|
|

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

Cliff,
Thank you very much for posting that. I appreciate it a lot.

--
John R. Scott - CAD Tech.
ms consultants
Columbus, OH

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

Disclaimer. It is working code pulled out of old routines written for R14
originally. Variable names may or may not make sense and of course are
undefined in your code. Some problems (goofiness) may (OK, will) occur in
A2K+. It's only for starters.
--
Cliff

"John Scott" wrote in message
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| Cliff,
| Thank you very much for posting that. I appreciate it a lot.
|
|
| --
| John R. Scott - CAD Tech.
| ms consultants
| Columbus, OH
|
|

Anonymous · ‎10-03-2001

It's only for starters

HEY, that's me!!!!!

I intend to use it to assist me with learning how to create dimension
styles, as well as other entities. I have only recently begun writing lisp
and have used the Commands to create. I already know that seems to be the
"hard" way of doing things. I also want to expand upon my knowledge as much
as I can.

Thanks again for your help.

--
John R. Scott - CAD Tech.
ms consultants
Columbus, OH

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