Trevor,
Why ya gotta do these things Trevor. I was quite content staying
semi-in-the-background. Now ya gotta start bringing up these moral issues.
What you have to understand is that your rationalizing something to make it
seem right when it isn't. If you look around here you'll notice (and have
noticed) that most do not share your opinion.
> ok. heres the deal. I believe that within the scope of my original
> post, there is just no harm in *looking* if it is easily accessible.
It wasn't. Measures had to be taken to gain access to the information you
were seeking, that went far beyond merely opening the file in a text editor.
> Stealing is another issue, and you just cannot equate looking with
> stealing.
This is true, if it was in plain sight.
> If it is truly critical that no living soul see whats in a
> file, then it should be better protected than the protected lisp
> method. That's kinda like expecting RSA encryption but using rot13: a
> pitifully poor substitute.
The amount of encryption is not really the point here. It was encrypted,
ie: the man didn't want you looking.
> Those of you who consider this issue important enough have already
> taken many steps past that point and I'll bet you didn't have to have
> your arm twisted to take those steps either. This kind of concern
> about security only comes with the prospect of making money or more
> importantly, keeping someone else from making money from your work.
Sounds like a noble cause.
> Unfortunately, I am the kind of person that gives stuff away.
Also sounds like a noble cause.
> Im the
> type who takes work home and stays late just to get something done
> whether my boss knows about it or not. I just don't concern myself
> with squeezing every penny out of my employer like some co-workers I
> have known. I have people tell me that doing so is stupid and that I
> shouldn't just give my time away, but that isn't what is important to
> me.
Strong work ethic. Nothing wrong with that. I'm the guy that used to read
the Machinery Handbook at lunch. I'm the guy that worked 64 hours a week
and got paid for forty when I first discovered this AutoCAD thing. Let'em
laugh. I make about half again as much as they do, doing the same thing.
I'm not just a designer at night, I'm a designer all day, every day. That
still doesn't give me the right to go where I don't belong.
>
> Despite what you may think of me now, I am not a theiving moocher who
> will steal anything I can get my hands on or take the pennies from a
> blind mans cup rather than do a days work. I do pay for what I *use*.
> I do stop using demos after they expire. I'm not out here with a hex
> editor and a multitude of cracker utilities to break the protection on
> a multi thousand dollar application. I just had need to look in a
> protected file and I did so. Big deal. That was years ago.
>
Back in my formative years I too used a decryptor. I did it once, I was
wrong, I never did it again. Oh yea, and I did inhale!
> I should have known better than to post this kind of question after
> the Demo post. I can't tell you how bad I wanted to just give the guy
> a case routine , but I didn't think the group would approve. another
> character flaw. at least I didn't tell him about the utility i used.
> If he's going to find that, it will be all on his own.
Best not to promote bad behaviour in other. Good man. Just a point though.
If you really don't think it's wrong, why wouldn't you tell him where to get
the cracker, eh?
Also, if you can help him with something free, isn't that showing him that
he really doesn't need to be stealing other peoples things to get what he
wants? Isn't that better?
>
> I finally saw that Alex shared a routine which only makes me curious.
> Why didn't anyone try to help earlier, rather than rant about the guy
> for two days?
>
I was walking down the street one day heading to Micky D's for lunch. I
didn't work in a very nice part of town, so there were always what one might
call lower class types hanging around. One of the fellows approached me and
asked if I had a couple dollars I could spare so he could get a hotel room
to get a shower (they got cheap rooms for these types around here). Anyway,
I tell him if he wants to come have lunch with me, all I got is a twenty,
but he can have the change when we're done.
If he would have come at me with a knife, I would have died before he got a
penny.
I think that is why no one helps people when they come in trying to get at
things that aren't thiers for the taking.
And yea I probably spelled thiers wrong cause the wife says I do it all the
time. It's just looks better spelled that way.
Lighten up, give it away, just don't take it, but above all...
Have fun,
Dave
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