Now I don't want to go off on a rant here but ...

[Anonymous]

Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't been
corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to the
beginning of the file., etc.

Best regards,

Dale

[Anonymous]

Has this IDE had *any* changes made to it since it's inception (cough) oh excuse me, I mean since it was purchased from Vital Lisp.....


"Dale Levesque" wrote in message news:8341128BBA1A1F7183BB321CB270A353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
> VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't been
> corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to the
> beginning of the file., etc.

[Anonymous]

That's funny, I just stumbled across my old Vital Lisp manual this morning.
The text on the spine reads "Development, Debugging and Delivery Tool for
AutoLIPS" hehe.

Dale

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
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> Has this IDE had *any* changes made to it since it's inception (cough) oh
excuse me, I mean since it was purchased from Vital Lisp.....
>
>
> "Dale Levesque" wrote in message
news:8341128BBA1A1F7183BB321CB270A353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> > Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
> > VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't
been
> > corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to
the
> > beginning of the file., etc.
>

[Anonymous]

I honestly never use the vlide, it would just slow me down -- I'm just too
used to, and spoiled by TextPad, which incidentally has fantastic bookmarking
ability 😉

"Dale Levesque" wrote in message
news:8341128BBA1A1F7183BB321CB270A353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...

Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't been
corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to the
beginning of the file., etc.

Best regards,

Dale

[Anonymous]

I am a huge fan of Textpad as well. I use it for lots of other things. How
do you load your modified files into AutoCAD? Isn't it a hassle? Don't you
miss the debugging capability?

Dale


"michael puckett" wrote in message
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> I honestly never use the vlide, it would just slow me down -- I'm just too
> used to, and spoiled by TextPad, which incidentally has fantastic
bookmarking
> ability 😉
>
> "Dale Levesque" wrote in message
> news:8341128BBA1A1F7183BB321CB270A353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
> Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
> VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't been
> corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to the
> beginning of the file., etc.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dale
>
>


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[Anonymous]

Dale Levesque wrote:
> I am a huge fan of Textpad as well. I use it for lots of other
> things. How do you load your modified files into AutoCAD? Isn't it a
> hassle? Don't you miss the debugging capability?
>
I have a TP macro that highlights everything between () and then copies
to the clip book.
Then I insert at the command line. This works for single commands or
entire defuns. Long since I found what a clunker Vlide is. I did ask
TextPad whether there was some way to automate the insertion into the
command line but they said no. There are several very good windows macro
utilities out there and I did have one running for a while that would do
it but the macro languages are pretty complex and you have to have the
program running TSR to use it.

As concerns debugging, I minimize the need by testing everything as I go
and writing in a modular style. When it's only one If statement, for
example, debugging becomes pretty easy.

rs

[Anonymous]

I've just become too use to the formatting capabilities etc to switch. I
really had high hopes for LispPAD from Tony but I certainly understand why
that project was shelved.

Dale

"TCEBob" wrote in message
news:6A3CC0146D81B80084D85A1C1267D90B@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Dale Levesque wrote:
> > I am a huge fan of Textpad as well. I use it for lots of other
> > things. How do you load your modified files into AutoCAD? Isn't it a
> > hassle? Don't you miss the debugging capability?
> >
> I have a TP macro that highlights everything between () and then copies
> to the clip book.
> Then I insert at the command line. This works for single commands or
> entire defuns. Long since I found what a clunker Vlide is. I did ask
> TextPad whether there was some way to automate the insertion into the
> command line but they said no. There are several very good windows macro
> utilities out there and I did have one running for a while that would do
> it but the macro languages are pretty complex and you have to have the
> program running TSR to use it.
>
> As concerns debugging, I minimize the need by testing everything as I go
> and writing in a modular style. When it's only one If statement, for
> example, debugging becomes pretty easy.
>
> rs
>
>

[Anonymous]

I don't use it either, but I'm such a dinosaur that I use only Notepad. I've
managed to get by for years without any gadgets at all for
debugging/bookmarking/formatting/etc.

Yeah, yeah, I know, there are lots of better editors around, but for several
years I was constantly hopping between computers, and I got used to having
to work with only the things that come with the operating system. I didn't
have the luxury of having all my favorite gizmos all the time, and I stopped
making any effort to personalize the computer I happened to be using.

It may seem trivial, but my first objection to vlide, which put me off
working with it from the start, is that I couldn't make it format a file in
a way that was acceptable to me. Using multiple space characters instead of
tabs to indent lines is IMHO like taking a journey backwards in time to DOS
Hell. I have better things to do than type
delete> etc. just
to control the formatting of lines of text.

At one time, tabs were considered uncool for lisp because some different
platform (I think Unix) didn't like them in text files. I'm not aware that
Acad even supports the odd platform anymore, and I'm quite sure that none of
my lisps are going to be run on an alien platform anyway, so I ought to be
able to format to my own preferences. But anything you load and save in
vlide will have the tabs replaced by spaces, and that results in a file that
I consider completely unworkable.


michael puckett wrote in message
news:C2460BCF67101A6101CB73E633457D80@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> I honestly never use the vlide, it would just slow me down -- I'm just too
> used to, and spoiled by TextPad, which incidentally has fantastic
bookmarking
> ability 😉
>
> "Dale Levesque" wrote in message
> news:8341128BBA1A1F7183BB321CB270A353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
>
> Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
> VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't been
> corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to the
> beginning of the file., etc.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dale
>
>


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[Anonymous]

I'm new to the programming stuff so I can't comment on functionality, but
here is a link to a program some friends of mine wrote years ago. I've
never heard anyone say anything bad about it...

http://xarch.tu-graz.ac.at/autocad/lsp_tools/visual-lisp.html

Jeff

[Anonymous]

Dale Levesque wrote:
> I've just become too use to the formatting capabilities etc to
> switch. I really had high hopes for LispPAD from Tony but I certainly
> understand why that project was shelved.
>
> Dale

The formatting is one of the reasons I loathe Vlide. One time I loaded
up a long set of routines and it formatted 'em into total illegibility.
Later I learned you can alter the formatting or turn it off, but --
haha -- too late. I have evolved my own formatting standards, which are
sensible but minimize the long trails of closing parens.

Other gripe: where are the macros? I've got TestPad trained to do all
kinds of good things with the touch of a button. Even finding a matching
() is painful in V. If you have not downloaded the latest Lisp.syn (by
Michael Puckett) by all means do -- or I will post it if you wish.

rs

[Anonymous]

How do you load your modified files into AutoCAD?

Either via (load ...) or copy / paste.

There is some stuff I batch load, a simple
front end (defun c:ReLoad () ...) type function
reloads libraries that may span many source
files, be it lsp, vlx, dcl ...

Isn't it a hassle?

Nope, and I have files spanning 20k+ lines.

Don't you miss the debugging capability?

Not at all. All the tools I need to write lisp I
have ( TextPad, ScopeEdit ) or have written ( Atoms,
Props ... ).

The visual lisp function vl-bt ( visual lisp back
trace ) is the only thing I need to unravel code
that may initially bomb.

I believe Mr. Tanzillo was the first one to reveal
said undocumented function was available. A simple
(defun *error* (x) (vl-bt) (princ)) will suffice
most of the time.

"Dale Levesque" wrote in message
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I am a huge fan of Textpad as well. I use it for lots of other things. How
do you load your modified files into AutoCAD? Isn't it a hassle? Don't you
miss the debugging capability?

Dale

[Anonymous]

Vlide has been a help for me. I like the formatting feature. If I don't
like the look, I change the formatting or undo . I haven't used
the bookmarks but do like the color coding and debugging features,
especially the error and trace stack and the animated debugging.

Now, if we could just get one to write the programs for us. 😉




"Dale Levesque" wrote in message news:8341128BBA1A1F7183BB321CB270A353@in.WebX.maYIadrTaRb...
> Is anyone else abit dissatisfied with the bookmark functionality in the
> VLisp IDE? It's a pretty vital tool and I'm surprized that it hasn't been
> corrected. Any formatting of the file causes bookmarks to relocate to the
> beginning of the file., etc.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dale
>
>

[Anonymous]

> How
> do you load your modified files into AutoCAD? Isn't it a hassle?
>

Drag/drop works well for me.

I always have Total Commander

http://www.ghisler.com/

open to whatever directory contains the files on which I am working.

Pick & drag, no hassle.

Oh, & I don't use VLIDE much either, except once in awhile to check a
file in case I can't find my own errors.