No more NNTP access to adsk newsgroups

Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

Saw that. Boo Hiss.

Gotta wonder how many of the long-time posters will still
be participating after they pull the plug.

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message news:6396148@discussion.autodesk.com...
Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

wow that's a crappy move.
the web based forum setup they have now is crap, I wonder what this new one
will be like?
I guess I wont be visiting it as often cause of company web access policy's

thanks autodesk, good job cutting the nose off to spite the face.

Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

Too bad. I would consider html but don't want to return to the days where I
had 500 spam messages per day. Unless Autodesk can prove that they will
hide our registered email addresses from spammers, I doubt I will continue
to participate.

Doug

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:6396148@discussion.autodesk.com...
Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

This absolutely sucks. I have found so much good stuff by quickly browsing the
headings - something easy to do with a newsreader (using Thunderbird, and
Outlook Express in the past), but too cumbersome in any web-based forum I've seen.

R.K. McSwain wrote:
> Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
> Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
> http://cadpanacea.com/node/226
>

Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

Well, if it happens, I guess I'll have more time for other things...
Before then, I'd just like to say "Thanks!" to everyone for all their
assistance over the years.
I truly hope in some small way I've been able to 'give back' a little, too.
As for me, I guess I'll just look elsewhere for help, if/when needed.

Perhaps Autodesk will have to go on a support hiring binge as frustrated
users overwhelm the Subscription support staff with relatively minor issues.
Wonder if they've figured in those costs?

Regardless, again, I'd like to say thanks to all the contributors here, you
have been greatly valued to me.

Best regards,
David Kozina

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:6396148@discussion.autodesk.com...
Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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Anonymous · ‎05-24-2010

On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:52:24 -0700, R.K. McSwain
wrote:

>Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
>Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
>http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
>http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

I suppose the writing was on the wall. Most such services have moved
over to web based forums. The issue is with the web forum software
that is going to be used. The one that is currently used for web based
access is not that great. Also as some have pointed out, there could
well be more load on support staff for their products, and there
definitely will be a greater demand on moderators given that spammers
have moved away from NNTP forums over to web based forums.

Maybe they want it to be just a select group of registered Autodesk
users who want to talk amongst themselves.

The current discussion group software is absolutely atrocious. There
are so many better forum packages around, but it looks like they will
stick with theirs because someone there decided to use it and to
change would mean that they might have made a mistake.

Ah well. maybe users need to move to alternative forums.

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dgorsman · ‎05-25-2010

If they farmed this stuff out (even to an internal division) they may not have the choice of what DG software to use. Not that it couldn't be better (it can), they may not have the option.

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Anonymous · ‎05-25-2010

Anyone know any good ones? I used to be able to access a few, but my current
ISP no longer provides a news server, so I don't even know where to look anymore.

Ian A. White wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:52:24 -0700, R.K. McSwain
> wrote:
>
>> Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
>> Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
>> http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
>> http://cadpanacea.com/node/226
>
> I suppose the writing was on the wall. Most such services have moved
> over to web based forums. The issue is with the web forum software
> that is going to be used. The one that is currently used for web based
> access is not that great. Also as some have pointed out, there could
> well be more load on support staff for their products, and there
> definitely will be a greater demand on moderators given that spammers
> have moved away from NNTP forums over to web based forums.
>
> Maybe they want it to be just a select group of registered Autodesk
> users who want to talk amongst themselves.
>
> The current discussion group software is absolutely atrocious. There
> are so many better forum packages around, but it looks like they will
> stick with theirs because someone there decided to use it and to
> change would mean that they might have made a mistake.
>
> Ah well. maybe users need to move to alternative forums.
>

Anonymous · ‎05-25-2010

On 5/25/2010 9:48 AM, Ken Krupa wrote:
> Anyone know any good ones? I used to be able to access a few, but my current
> ISP no longer provides a news server, so I don't even know where to look anymore.
>
I used to frequent comp.cad.autocad and it's still available on my news
server but it was so unmoderated that I gave it up years ago. I think
that the only viable Acad forums now will be web based. I'll be heading
over to Augi.com and try to figure out how to navigate the interface
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Anonymous · ‎05-25-2010

Well, this is just a plain stupid move.

I've been part of this forum since 1997, under different nicknames.
Obviously, at that time I was just learning, but then, over the years, I
thought that maybe I will be able to give back a little bit of what I've
learned and I like to believe that I've succeeded in my intentions.

The web based forum Autodesk has now is rather an interfece than an
interface and for specific reasons, like spam risk, web access policy,
cumbersome utilization, I won't follow their new crap, except if I'm going
to hear that it's a big success.

Many thanks to all enthusiast and passionate people who assisted and helped
me and everybody else over the years and I hope to meet you under better
circumstances.

Regards,

Buddy

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6396148@discussion.autodesk.com...
Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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http://cadpanacea.com

Anonymous · ‎05-26-2010

Why take the best thing they ever did and eliminate it?
Bad Form mate!
Someone needs to tell them the other formats suck, are difficult to find
topics are difficult to scroll through .... blah blah blah.
Must be someones paycheck involved, gotta find something to screw with.

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Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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Anonymous · ‎05-26-2010

There's no technically legitimate reason that prevents
parallel access to discussion groups via NNTP and HTTP,
other than perhaps that Autodesk has chosen to use
what amounts to Java-based garbage for their HTTP
interface, that makes them the laughing stock of the
software industry.

My guess is that Autodesk no longer wants to support
peer-to-peer support, because they regard paid support
as a source of revenue (create products that require far
more support than should be necessary and then, in very
parasitic fashion, profit from that), and because history has
clearly shown that Autodesk seems to regard sabotage as
a legitimate business tool, that's essentially what they're
doing to peer-to-peer support and the discussion groups.

They already know most of us will have no part of it,
and that's pretty much what they're counting on.

What the fools that are responsible for this decision failed
to consider are the social-oriented side-effects of this move,
and if you don't mind, I will not get into that aspect, because
I would very much prefer to see them end up having to reap
what they sow.

So, to summarize, Autodesk would like to make it far more
difficult for you to get the help and support of your peers,
and this looks like a slimy, underhanded means to that end.

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"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:6396148@discussion.autodesk.com...
Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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http://cadpanacea.com

Kent1Cooper · ‎05-26-2010

Well.... It's not like people can't or don't get plenty of help from peers through the AutoDesk-sponsored website in which I'm following this discussion. I needed some help some years back, and found it from a peer via AutoDesk's own forum [through the Newsreader approach at the time], and now that I've gotten better at these things than I was then, I provide quite a bit of help to others via the website [largely because I somehow couldn't get my Newsreader to work when I got a different computer], and AutoDesk doesn't profit from it at all. It's not that I think they should make this change, anyway, or that I don't have problems with the website, but it certainly won't prevent peer-to-peer support. If that's what they wanted to do, they'd eliminate the website, too [oh -- forget I said that....].

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Tony Tanzillo wrote...
....
My guess is that Autodesk no longer wants to support peer-to-peer support, because they regard paid support as a source of revenue....

Kent Cooper, AIA

Anonymous · ‎05-26-2010

Also as a side note...via the website you have to login, thereby providing a
list of participants to Autodesk.

"Tony Tanzillo" wrote in message
news:6397837@discussion.autodesk.com...
There's no technically legitimate reason that prevents
parallel access to discussion groups via NNTP and HTTP,
other than perhaps that Autodesk has chosen to use
what amounts to Java-based garbage for their HTTP
interface, that makes them the laughing stock of the
software industry.

My guess is that Autodesk no longer wants to support
peer-to-peer support, because they regard paid support
as a source of revenue (create products that require far
more support than should be necessary and then, in very
parasitic fashion, profit from that), and because history has
clearly shown that Autodesk seems to regard sabotage as
a legitimate business tool, that's essentially what they're
doing to peer-to-peer support and the discussion groups.

They already know most of us will have no part of it,
and that's pretty much what they're counting on.

What the fools that are responsible for this decision failed
to consider are the social-oriented side-effects of this move,
and if you don't mind, I will not get into that aspect, because
I would very much prefer to see them end up having to reap
what they sow.

So, to summarize, Autodesk would like to make it far more
difficult for you to get the help and support of your peers,
and this looks like a slimy, underhanded means to that end.

--
http://www.caddzone.com

AcadXTabs: MDI Document Tabs for AutoCAD
Supporting AutoCAD 2000 through 2011

http://www.acadxtabs.com

Email: string.Format("{0}@{1}.com", "tonyt", "caddzone");

"R.K. McSwain" wrote in message
news:6396148@discussion.autodesk.com...
Do you access these newsgroups with a newsreader?
Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

--
R.K. McSwain
http://cadpanacea.com

dgorsman · ‎05-26-2010

Yeesh. Reminds me of Grandpa Simpson: "Eeeeeevillll!!!!"

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dgorsman · ‎05-26-2010

Excellent point, Alan - allows data correlation between postings and support requests.

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Anonymous · ‎05-26-2010

The peer-to-peer support here directly competes with
Autodesk subscription support, paid support, and reseller
support.

I don't see why it would be difficult to understand the
motive for sabotaging peer-to-peer support.

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wrote in message news:6397904@discussion.autodesk.com...
Well.... It's not like people can't or don't get plenty of help from peers
through the AutoDesk-sponsored website in which I'm following this discussion.
I needed some help some years back, and found it from a peer via AutoDesk's own
forum [through the Newsreader approach at the time], and now that I've gotten
better at these things than I was then, I provide quite a bit of help to others
via the website [largely because I somehow couldn't get my Newsreader to work
when I got a different computer], and AutoDesk doesn't profit from it at all.
It's not that I think they should make this change, anyway, or that I don't have
problems with the website, but it certainly won't prevent peer-to-peer support.
If that's what they wanted to do, they'd eliminate the website, too [oh --
forget I said that....].

--
Kent Cooper

Tony Tanzillo wrote...
....
My guess is that Autodesk no longer wants to support peer-to-peer support,
because they regard paid support as a source of revenue....

Anonymous · ‎05-26-2010

What ever happened to "If it aint broke don't fix it?"

Oh yeh, this is autodesk... Get it just about right, then pull the plug.

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Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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Anonymous · ‎05-26-2010

What would it take for some one to just copy all this stuff out, put it on a
server somewhere? Gee, its free info isn't it?

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Autodesk is pulling the plug on NNTP access soon.
http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/item?id=15084537&siteID=123112
http://cadpanacea.com/node/226

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