Visual LISP, AutoLISP and General Customization

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snielson
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Registered: ‎05-07-2014
Message 11 of 25 (255 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

05-07-2014 10:01 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

The horizontal scroll is not something I usually use either.  But there I was in a meeting with my laptop and no mouse needing the nudge the drawing to the side and could not easilly do it. z e, then z w.   

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durentech
Posts: 28
Registered: ‎03-31-2010
Message 12 of 25 (238 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

05-10-2014 09:24 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

You have to know that everyone doesn't work the same way. I noticed the missing horizontal scroll bar right away when I did the Move or Copy right click command on the layout tab...to create the next sheet in a set of drawings. In 2014 and before I could click from Paper space to Model Space and scroll to the right to get the new sheet drawing in model space into the viewport. I see no way to work that way now which REALLY sucks because I create new tabs this way all the time.

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blessard_TMG
Posts: 37
Registered: ‎09-24-2003
Message 13 of 25 (169 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-01-2014 12:03 PM in reply to: arshadmirza786

It is very strange that the horizontal scroll bar suddenly 'dissapeard' between v2014 and v2015 (vertical scroll remains?!?). But I guess it was deleted on purpose:

http://knowledge.autodesk.com/support/autocad-pid/troubleshooting/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/Aut... **Was this Article Helpful?**NO!**

 

It does makes it a little harder to use on a laptop. Also, I noticed it when I tried to set up a new viewport and tried to pan in it horizontally only. I used the "suggestion' and managed to 'double-click' the middle mouse button which zoom-extents, I hit an undo and tried it again, manged that time to scroll while I was panning and it changed the scale. On last time, I  used the pan command (not the middle mouse button because apparently I have a twitchy middle finger :smileyhappy: ) and it worked but then I had to use MVSETUP to realign the viewport to it's neighbor because the pan command is inaccurate in all directions.

 

I thought by upgrading you were supposed to become more efficient...this process took me 15min when it used to take me 30sec. If there was some 'greater good' for the removal of the scroll bar I would understand and adapt, but this just seems like a programing FAIL.

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rkmcswain
Posts: 3,346
Registered: ‎11-13-2006
Message 14 of 25 (166 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-01-2014 12:09 PM in reply to: blessard_TMG
With all due respect to the knowledge network team, that is a terrible 'article/solution'. Putting aside the debate over the presence or lack of a horizontal scroll bar for a minute.... what the article should say is:

(1) Use the -Pan command with Ortho
-or-
(2) Use the middle mouse button along with the Shift key.

Both of these constrain the movement as desired.
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chris.downing
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Registered: ‎06-18-2014
Message 15 of 25 (148 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-03-2014 07:20 AM in reply to: arshadmirza786

Press and hold your scroll wheel then hold down the shift key. 

 

Whilst holding you can scroll either horizontally or vertically without the bars.

 

Hope this helps! :smileyhappy:

 

 

 

Kind Regards

Chris Downing

Applications Engineer

Man and Machine UK

 

Kind Regards
Chris Downing

Man and Machine
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durentech
Posts: 28
Registered: ‎03-31-2010
Message 16 of 25 (110 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-31-2014 10:14 AM in reply to: chris.downing

While holding down the scroll wheel button and the shift button while moving the mouse seems to work doesn't just using the scroll bar work much more efficiently??? Before I mastered the art of rubbing my belly while tapping my head and jumping up and down on one foot, the equivalent of this alternate method of scrolling, I accidently rotated my image and magnified it and had to undo until I got the original image back and try again.

 

The scroll bars have been a part of every AutoCAD version I've purchased since Release 12. Autodesk screwed up...it's so obvious. Under Tools/Options/Display the check box says "Display scroll bar(s)..."...that's plural! If their intention was to get rid of scroll bars why leave the vertical scroll bar in but take the horizontal one out? If Autodesk intentionally deleted the horizontal scroll bar it was to make more room for their stupid ribbon...something probably half or more of its customers don't even use. I know where my command icons are in my modified Classic workspace and they are the commands I use and not the ones I have to navigate through to find the one I want. But Autodesk dropped another bomb in 2015...no Classic workspace option unless you want to start completely from scratch.

 

Last I heard Autodesk has no intention of fixing the horizontal scroll bar in 2015 and to make it look like it was by design they will delete the vertical scroll bar in the next version. Any vertical scroll bar users out there? how would you feel about that, eh?

 

I've been on subscription for years but this arrogance and denial on Autodesk's part has soured me and I have no intention of paying 6 months in advance for something I can't see, touch or smell first. We should all have the option to purchase when the product is rolled out so we can make an educated decision. What other product do you pay for before you even know what you're buying??  

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rkmcswain
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Message 17 of 25 (108 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-31-2014 10:32 AM in reply to: durentech
durentech wrote:

Autodesk screwed up...it's so obvious. Actually, they more or less admit it was removed on purpose, here.
If Autodesk intentionally deleted the horizontal scroll bar it was to make more room for their stupid ribbon...something probably half or more of its customers don't even use. I know where my command icons are in my modified Classic workspace and they are the commands I use and not the ones I have to navigate through to find the one I want. But Autodesk dropped another bomb in 2015...no Classic workspace option unless you want to start completely from scratch.

 

Last I heard Autodesk has no intention of fixing the horizontal scroll bar in 2015 and to make it look like it was by design they will delete the vertical scroll bar in the next version. Any vertical scroll bar users out there? how would you feel about that, eh? Never used them, never will, so no effect here. But as you have passion for the scrollbars, I feel the same way about the removal of the TEXT option for the status bar buttons that was removed (you know, SNAP, GRIP, ORTHO, etc), so I certainly can see your point.

 

I've been on subscription for years but this arrogance and denial on Autodesk's part has soured me and I have no intention of paying 6 months in advance for something I can't see, touch or smell first. We should all have the option to purchase when the product is rolled out so we can make an educated decision. You can. Nothing stopping you other than it will cost you more if you're not on subscription, unless you skip about 3 versions, then the cost is about the same.What other product do you pay for before you even know what you're buying??  

A lot of people talk about dropping Autodesk and moving to a competitive product, but I've never actually seen anyone do it other than maybe a solo individual here and there..
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durentech
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Message 18 of 25 (99 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-31-2014 10:50 AM in reply to: rkmcswain

SNAP, ORTHO...don't get me started. I wondered when those went away...not in 2013 so before that I guess.

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durentech
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Registered: ‎03-31-2010
Message 19 of 25 (94 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

07-31-2014 12:12 PM in reply to: rkmcswain
Best review this to make sure you understand upgrade options now.



http://knowledge.autodesk.com/search-result/caas/sfdcarticles/sfdcarticles/F
requently-Asked-Questions-about-the-Autodesk-Upgrade-Policy.html?mktvar002=6
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rkmcswain
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Message 20 of 25 (84 Views)

Re: No horizontal scroll bar

08-01-2014 04:57 AM in reply to: durentech
durentech wrote:

SNAP, ORTHO...don't get me started. I wondered when those went away...not in 2013 so before that I guess.

The text option was removed starting with the 2015 version.

 

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