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*joe
Message 11 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 06:42 AM in reply to: kennedgy
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:53:00 +0000
ariesk <> wrote:

> clearing the local CC
> folder (what shouldn't be a problem in my opinion, as CC parts are
> re-created)

I'm not 100% positive so I could be wrong, but I thought that if
Inventor found an existing CC part already on a users computer it just
used that copy instead of creating it from metadata or what ever it's
called.
*joe
Message 12 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 06:54 AM in reply to: kennedgy
Some how that doesn't sound right.

I could have sworn if a person who has never worked on an assembly
before which is in Vault and contained CC parts, and that person has
never created the particular CC parts that are within that assembly in
any other assembly, then when that person checks out said assembly with
CC parts from Vault, that Vault should be copying down the CC parts to
that users computer.

If the entire CC folder was deleted, Vault should be recreating the
folder structure as needed on that system when files are checked out.
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ariesk
Posts: 2
Registered: ‎11-07-2006
Message 13 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 07:00 AM in reply to: kennedgy
That is correct, but not the problem. The issue is that with an empty local CC folder, the newly created CC part (or in effect that 'metadata') differs from the vaulted CC parts which ought to be up to date through the migration process... and all libraries (metadata) are 'updated' through the migration...right? So how come they're different?
*joe
Message 14 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 07:13 AM in reply to: kennedgy
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 15:00:36 +0000
ariesk <> wrote:

> That is correct, but not the problem. The issue is that with an empty
> local CC folder, the newly created CC part (or in effect that
> 'metadata') differs from the vaulted CC parts which ought to be up to
> date through the migration process... and all libraries (metadata)
> are 'updated' through the migration...right? So how come they're
> different?

I think I can see the issue you are pointing out.

Libraries are installed with the newest version of Inventor, not
migrated I believe, but I understand how you are stating it. However
you have brought up an instance where it is possible for a newly
created CC part that may not/wont jive with a CC part that has been
migrated in Vault.

TGIF
*joe
Message 15 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 10:47 AM in reply to: kennedgy
just ran a test on 2009

1. created a simple two CC part assy with a nut and bolt.

2. checked in the assembly to Vault (checking the delete files option
apparently doesn't go thru and delete CC parts, only the .iam file)

3. removed the en-US folder from C:\Vault\Work\Content Center Files
which contains the two CC parts in their respective folders and placed
it on my desktop

4. thru Inventor, File -> Open From Vault and choose my assy. It then
prompted me to check out all files.

The results were, no error msg about missing CC parts, it just copied
down the CC parts from Vault to C:\Vault\Work\Content Center
Files\en-US\ into their respective folders.

When I switch over to Vault in the browser inside Inventor, I see just
the assy is checked out, not the CC parts.

Of coarse I do not have any pre-2009 files on this computer so I have
no way of testing with 2008 CC parts in either the Vault or working
folders.
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kennedgy
Posts: 44
Registered: ‎01-19-2009
Message 16 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 11:23 AM in reply to: kennedgy
To be sure we are talking about the same things, we did move all our data to the 2009 server.
When I say "migrate", I mean updating the file format of parts and assemblies from version 2008 Inventor to 2009 Inventor (which we did not do).
Migration happens in the background when an individual file (2008 format) is opened in 2009.

Here is what I think is happening...
When using content center, new part files are created in the Vault if that particular part has never been used before.
We have no problem with previously unused components.
When inserting a 2008 format component, Inventor requires the file format to be migrated to 2009.
Migration requires the file to be checked out.
After a user migrates the component to 2009, that user can check the component back in to Vault and use it normally without check out.
We are having problems (check out required) if a users local copy is 2008 and the Vault copy is 2009. Still requires check out.

We are planning to migrate all the Vault content center components with Task Scheduler.
I am thinking we need to go through and purge or update local content on all workstations after this.
*joe
Message 17 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-23-2009 11:41 AM in reply to: kennedgy
On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 19:23:44 +0000
kennedgy <> wrote:

> I am thinking we need to go through
> and purge or update local content on all workstations after this.

Good idea. If your users have all files checked into Vault (and they
do not have any models stored on their hard-drive which could contain
CC parts, either in or out of the working folder), you should be able to
just go in and delete the folder called en-US in their Content Center
Files (or what ever name it is) folder.

Doing it the way I described above, you might be able to avoid
migrating the Vault files with Task Scheduler - but you would still have
to check out CC parts on a as needed basis in order to get them up to
2009 versions.

Regardless of which ever direction you want to go, it would be best to
go thru and get all the older versions of CC files off every bodies
computer.
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martinxw
Posts: 28
Registered: ‎11-28-2006
Message 18 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-26-2009 06:49 AM in reply to: kennedgy
Hello Joe

I try your test too. I tested it in Inventor Professional 2009.
See attachment.

CC is missing. Vault add-in in Inventor wasn't able to copy CC file from filestore to local hard drive.
*joe
Message 19 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-26-2009 08:39 AM in reply to: kennedgy
The only thing I did different was when I was opening from Vault, I did
not specify "Check out all".

I let the next screen which pops up and asks if I wanted to check out
all and choose yes.

I don't have an answer as to why your CC parts were not copied down
from Vault.

Assume this situation, you are the person who created this assembly
with one solid body and 4 CC parts. You've checked in the assembly into
Vault.

Another person on a completely different workstation who has never
created any assembly with those exact same CC parts now checks your
assembly out of Vault. What should happen?

I would suggest doing that sort of test with another co-worker and see
what the results are.

HTH
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martinxw
Posts: 28
Registered: ‎11-28-2006
Message 20 of 26 (129 Views)

Re: Vault Upgrade 2008 to 2009 causing Content Center problems

01-27-2009 12:36 AM in reply to: kennedgy
I tryed your way - didn't specify "Checked out all".

I let the next screen which pops up and asks if I wanted to check out all and choose yes, too.

And than same dialog asked for CC file was appeared :smileysurprised:(((

Next I checked in on first PC and go to another PC - logged to different user - and in Inventor try open from Vault.

I have got same result as in first case.


I'm interested in what I have different from you.

I'll try it in english version of Inventor. Let we see what happened :smileysurprised:))
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