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minkd
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Message 81 of 105 (722 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 07:30 AM in reply to: swalton

The repair we do during migration cannot repair all possible cases in vault workgroup and above; and in base vault, there isn't enough information to repair anything.

 

So for all vault tiers, we recommend you run the manual repair utility, which uses the CAD system to find missing relationships in the vault and suggest fixes where it can.  The manual repair utility will find all missing relationships, even relationships that are not missing due to the formerly broken purge.

 

The manual repair utility can find cases where it can't determine a fix and those are still included in the resulting table so you can find out about them.  You can test the behavior of those problematic assemblies and decide if you want to create another version (i.e. checkout/checkin) of the assembly which will at least correct the tip.

 

If the manual repair utility finds nothing you are good to go.

 

Once all that can be fixed is fixed, it is as safe as its going to be to enable purge again.  The fixed purge will no longer allow you to override parent restrictions as that is what caused the problems in the first place.

 

-Dave

 



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swalton
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Message 82 of 105 (720 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 08:03 AM in reply to: minkd

Thanks for the update.

 

Can the repair utility run safely while the Vault is in production use?  Or do we need ot run it at nights and weekends when users aren't adding new data?

 

We have a spare licence/workstation that we will use for running the utility.




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Message 83 of 105 (715 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 08:45 AM in reply to: swalton

The utility will be pulling files down to a local workspace and querying the vault to see if the dependencies in vault match the dependencies in the CAD file.  I cannot say whether or not that bandwidth usage would impact your day to day users as it would depend on the nature of the dependencies between your CAD files and what your users are doing with vault.

 

I would suggest trying it on a folder hierarchy that has a couple hundred "representative" CAD files and seeing how much of an impact it has on other users.  It would also allow you to make a rough estimate for how long the process will take.

 

If the impact is unacceptable, you could always run the utility against a seperate server which has a backup restored to it from the production server. The test server should be running the same version (same release, same service pack level, same hotfixes) as the production server.  The resulting table could be imported into the production server, although you may see some failures if files had been subsequently deleted from the production server after the backup.

 

-Dave



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Message 84 of 105 (712 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 08:51 AM in reply to: minkd

Thanks,

 

It sounds like the repair utility does not do anything that would prevent concurrent normal use of the vault.  The only concern would be a potential performance drag on the system. 

 

We will do some testing, but I doubt there will be a big issue.  We only have 3-4 users on our system at a time. 




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Message 85 of 105 (703 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 09:16 AM in reply to: guyh

Hi There,

 

At this stage we have not released a service pack update and repair utility for Vault 2011.  We do not have any immediate plans for a service pack for the 2011 release.

 

If there is an urgent need to resolve the purge issues in 2011 it may be worthwhile for you to look at migrating to Vault 2012 and apply the Service Pack there.  We realize this is not ideal but will provide a short term resolution.



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Message 86 of 105 (704 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 09:22 AM in reply to: jeremy.lambert

After I ran the utility, I had around 3000 results. However, the utility didn't find anything in the vault that could be a match.

 

To elaborate, the column "Matching_Ref_In_Vault" and "Ref_Version" both show up with ???.

 

Now what would happen if we were to run a purge without doing anything to the 3000 files that have ??? for a matching reference? Is it really necessary to manually go in and add in all those referances?

 

It may also be worth noting that when I open up an assembly, all of the parts show up and then I check it back in through Inventor. However, the scan still says that it has missing references. Is this normal?

 

Also, it seems to be mostly library parts

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Message 87 of 105 (681 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

12-21-2012 11:38 AM in reply to: jsilver266

The scan shouldn't be showing missing references for the newly checked-in assembly; but it should still flag prior versions of that assembly if it has missing references - assuming you are having it scan all versions, and not just the tip versions.  Is this the case?

 

BTW, it might be best if we started a new thread for any problems/concerns/questions with the reference repair utility. This thread is supposed to be for announcing new hotfixes - and I'm starting to feel like we are taking it over. <g>

 

-Dave



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Message 88 of 105 (636 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

01-03-2013 03:46 AM in reply to: olearya

olearya wrote:

Hi There,

 

At this stage we have not released a service pack update and repair utility for Vault 2011.  We do not have any immediate plans for a service pack for the 2011 release.

 

If there is an urgent need to resolve the purge issues in 2011 it may be worthwhile for you to look at migrating to Vault 2012 and apply the Service Pack there.  We realize this is not ideal but will provide a short term resolution.


Not ideal?  It's not acceptable for us to be forced into an upgrade of our Vault to fix an issue.  I take this means there will be no fix released for 2011 (as 2014 is due soon and therefore 2011 version falls off the support list)?

This fix is crucial for us now.

 

Regards,

 

Guy

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Message 89 of 105 (626 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

01-03-2013 11:13 AM in reply to: guyh

Hi Guy,

 

Thanks for your feedback here.  We understand the frustration, unfortunately the imminent 2014 software release has played a part in the timing and resources available to us to release a 2011 SP.  We are sensitive to the fact that some users are unable to easily migrate and will keep you updated on our plans moving forward regarding this.



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Message 90 of 105 (600 Views)

Re: New Hotfixes Available

01-08-2013 04:57 AM in reply to: jeremy.lambert

Hello,

 

Why does the published date change on this SP1 for 2013? Is it a new SP?

 

Thanks in advance.

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