Water and Wastewater Plants

[Anonymous]

We have a large multilevel water treatment plant modeled in Revit. Now we are going to model all the existing

piping. Can Revit mep do this? Are there any issues with using large diameter pipe? Can you place large diameter

valves with different operators? Are there any major issues using Revit mep for this type of project?   We have tried to do this in Plant 3d and there are to many issues to name. Just dealing with the revit model is more trouble than it is worth.

[abulla]

Revit MEP should be able to handle a project like that just fine. If you need specific families for fittings or valves, many manufacturers like Nibco and Victaulic have content available on Autodesk Seek.

You can also fairly easily create and assign systems to your pipe once it's modeled. I think our biggest issue with a model with a lot of systems is controlling visibility, and model performance.

[Anonymous]

abulla,  Thanks for the quick reply, Do you know if you can switch the valve operators to handwheel and whatever else you need?  Also do you know if you can change the color of existing pipe to a screened color in the orthos? We usually show the new piping bold and the existing shaded. Thanks for the help

[abulla]

Well, the valve operators will depend on how the family is built. If you want to attempt to create your own valve families, that's a whole new can of worms. If you manage to find two separate valve families, one with a handwheel and one with something else, it will be easy enough to switch between the two once they're loaded into your project.

The second part of your question can be done a couple of different ways. The first is with Phasing and Phase Filters. If you read about phasing on here though, you'll find people have experienced a few problems, namely with elements becoming disconnected and losing their system association when placed on a Demolition phase. If you only have an existing and new phase, you should be ok (don't quote me on that).

[Anonymous]

Does anyone know where I can find 12" to 60" pipe flanges, butterfly valves and gate valves for revit mep?

[abulla]

The flanges should be built into Revit, if you look under the Pipe-Fittings folder. Valves over 24" might be tougher to find.

[Anonymous]

Is nothing built into this program? I cannot find anything.

HELP AUTODESK

-ductile iron flanged fittings 4" to 48"  all fittings reducing tees and elbows included.

-butterfly valves 4" to 48"

-gate valves 4" to 48"

-bell and spigot fittings, pipe, valves

Do you have to make everything in this program?

If you could merge Plant 3d piping into Revit MEP then you would have a program. Or better yet if you could work with

a revit model in Plant 3d then you would have a better program.

Is it possible to bring Plant fittings and valves into Revit MEP?

[Sandleaz]

Here's an easy solution: create your own.  Autodesk ain't going to make everything into a REVIT family for you and your convenience.  

[CoreyDaun · Accepted solution]

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tarheels09 wrote:

"Is nothing built into this program? I cannot find anything." 

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The bare-bones basics are built into the Program. It would be impossible for them to include all of the fittings to accommodate every applicable market/profession that utilizes Revit.

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tarheels09 wrote:

"-ductile iron flanged fittings 4" to 48"  all fittings reducing tees and elbows included.

-butterfly valves 4" to 48"

-gate valves 4" to 48"

-bell and spigot fittings, pipe, valves

Do you have to make everything in this program?" 

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For most situations, someone has likely build a Family. Try checking a Manufacturer's website; many of them supply Revit Families. Also, one can search places like Autodesk Seek or Revit City. If all else fails, yes, the Family must be created.

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tarheels09 wrote:

"Is it possible to bring Plant fittings and valves into Revit MEP?"

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I've never used Plant 3D, but given Revit's general incompatibility with other programs (even other Autodesk programs), I would assume "no". If there is a way to convert the fittings into something Revit can comprehend, there would likely be a huge loss (most likely complete) of parametric functionality. But again, I've never used Plant 3D so I could be wrong.

[Anonymous]

Good thinking, Thanks for your valued contribution

[Anonymous]

Thanks Cadastrophe

[Anonymous]

Thanks CADastrophe

[Anonymous]

I sounds like to me that Revit would be a better platform for water/wastewater design than plant 3D, is this the case?  Given the limit on pipe sizes in Revit MEP, I think I can live with that and build my own or get some from the MFR.

There is to much concrete in water/wastewater plants to use plant 3D.  

[Anonymous]

You are right, Revit MEP was the way to go and you will need to make your own large pipe and fittings.

Plant3d is impossible to use with Revit.

[Anonymous]

Thanks tarheels09,

Can you direct me to a site or book I can use to get a good start on building the large pipe and fittings families?

[Anonymous]

We just duplicated a pipe and started changing pipe styles. The fittings are not as easy, Charlotte Pipe is a good source for PVC fittings
You can search for AWWA fittings, Revit has some to start with and we used the American Pipe Manual to edit the CSV tables for ductile iron fittings.
It took some time but we finally got what we needed. Not an easy process. Good luck.

Eddie

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[Martin__Schmid]

Hello tarheels09

Thanks for the content requests... as it has been a while since you made this post, have you come across other components for W/WW that you have found missing in Revit?

Thanks,