Revit MEP

Reply
*Expert Elite*
CADastrophe
Posts: 3,330
Registered: ‎08-28-2009
Message 11 of 21 (314 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 09:03 AM in reply to: systemswest

Would you be able to post one of the Families and the associated CSV file here?

 

Unfortunately, Revit is going to keep changing as it's in a constant state of development. And in the case of manufacturers, they may even see it as detrimental to have a newer version of Revit, being that any newer files that are created or modified are completely incompatible with the older versions. I would bet that the ones authoring the Families know just enough to make a working family and have little or no knowledge of the latest improvements or how to content with the issues stemming from such. But we can hope otherwise, right?

Corey D.                                                                                                                  ADSK_Logo_EE_2013.png    AutoCAD 2014 User  Revit 2014 User
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
⁞|⁞ Please use Mark Solutions!.Accept as Solution and Give Kudos!Give Kudos as appropriate to further enhance these forums. Thank you!
Active Contributor
systemswest
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎08-14-2007
Message 12 of 21 (305 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 10:15 AM in reply to: systemswest

I get the same problem in versions 2012 and 2013 as I'm getting in 2014.  I've included Victaulic's zip file that has all the files in it.

Active Contributor
systemswest
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎08-14-2007
Message 13 of 21 (303 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 10:18 AM in reply to: systemswest

and the family....

*Expert Elite*
CADastrophe
Posts: 3,330
Registered: ‎08-28-2009
Message 14 of 21 (295 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 11:33 AM in reply to: systemswest

I look at the Family, and I think that there's supposed to be another Lookup Table. The formula for the parameter "CoupGap" is:

size_lookup("Victaulic-Grooved Coupling OGS-AGS", "CoupGap", 0', Nominal Diameter)

 

Do you happen to have this .csv file?

Corey D.                                                                                                                  ADSK_Logo_EE_2013.png    AutoCAD 2014 User  Revit 2014 User
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
⁞|⁞ Please use Mark Solutions!.Accept as Solution and Give Kudos!Give Kudos as appropriate to further enhance these forums. Thank you!
Active Contributor
systemswest
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎08-14-2007
Message 15 of 21 (292 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 11:48 AM in reply to: CADastrophe

opps...

here are the only CSV's imported into the fitting family

*Expert Elite*
CADastrophe
Posts: 3,330
Registered: ‎08-28-2009
Message 16 of 21 (287 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 01:13 PM in reply to: systemswest

I'm trying to find the root of this error:

 

"Can't satisfy formulas for type Victaulic-Grooved Coupling OGS-AGS:.Standard."

 

I'm digging, but it might take some time.

 

Edit:

Found it - the Lookup Table for the nested Shared Family needed to be reestablished.

Corey D.                                                                                                                  ADSK_Logo_EE_2013.png    AutoCAD 2014 User  Revit 2014 User
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
⁞|⁞ Please use Mark Solutions!.Accept as Solution and Give Kudos!Give Kudos as appropriate to further enhance these forums. Thank you!
Active Contributor
systemswest
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎08-14-2007
Message 17 of 21 (278 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-18-2013 02:18 PM in reply to: CADastrophe

Great, thanks for the help. but (I'm Irish we're slow) how do I reestablish the nested lookp table?

Do I just go to the "manage" lookup tables and import them again? for the fitting family and the nested coupling?

I tried that but not sure if correct since it still behaving badly.

 

THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT !!!!!!

*Expert Elite*
CADastrophe
Posts: 3,330
Registered: ‎08-28-2009
Message 18 of 21 (262 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-19-2013 05:21 AM in reply to: systemswest

You can open the nested Family for editing, reestablish the lookup table, and then reload it into the host Family.

 

I didn't mean to present my previous post as an ultimate solution to this problem; just a solution to that error message I was getting. This does not solve you original problem, but I'm still digging into it. So far, no luck.

 

You're welcome - I'm happy to provide whatever meager assistance I can.

Corey D.                                                                                                                  ADSK_Logo_EE_2013.png    AutoCAD 2014 User  Revit 2014 User
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────
⁞|⁞ Please use Mark Solutions!.Accept as Solution and Give Kudos!Give Kudos as appropriate to further enhance these forums. Thank you!
Active Contributor
systemswest
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎08-14-2007
Message 19 of 21 (256 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-19-2013 11:28 AM in reply to: CADastrophe

Ok, Vitaulic called me this morning and fixed the problem.  Let me see if I can discribe the correction correctly.  first Vixtaulic stated they are currently working on updated families redesigned to work better in 2014 REVIT.

 

(this problem maybe effecting other Vic fittings as well)

If you edit the "victaulic-ips-elbow no 10-13.rfa" family, easiest to go to or stay in the 3D view.  

And click on the "Connector Element" coming off the coupling, go to properties and

go the the "Constraints" tab and select "Angle", click the pull-down to get the "Associate family parameters" dialog box,

originaily the fitting downloaded had "<none>" selected, so this is why the angle never wanted to change, but to stary at the default of 45 degrees.  Change this from "<none>" to "Angle" parameter, and save/reload into the project and bingo it works.

The other item Victaulic recommended to change is in the "family catagory and parameters" property dialog - 

Ralph at Vic said some fittings went did not have the "Always Vertical" clicked on.

 

Let me know if you'd prefer I just upload the corrected file.

 

Victaulic stated they should be posting the 2014 Vic families soon.

 

I'm thinking this soultion might solve other fitting problem too.

 

Pretty simple fix, it's always the little things...

 

Thanks for everyone help on this!

 

Active Contributor
systemswest
Posts: 30
Registered: ‎08-14-2007
Message 20 of 21 (250 Views)

Re: Vic fittings always loads 45 deg elbow

07-19-2013 11:37 AM in reply to: systemswest

This is a much better description and fix (attached PDF), Thanks to Ralph at Victaulic!

Post to the Community

Have questions about Autodesk products? Ask the community.

New Post
Need installation help?

Start with some of our most frequented solutions or visit the Installation and Licensing Forum to get help installing your software.