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Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

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11-02-2012 07:46 AM

1) Anyone know why structural columns don't show up in architectural plans.  The only way I can see to coordinate the structure with the architectural elements is to use structural plans.

 

2) Anyone know how to make structural columns visible in architectural plans? I've tried the visibility graphics but everything seems to be turned on by default.

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11-02-2012 07:51 AM in reply to: dbroad

Structural columns do show in architectural floor plans, by default, even if the discipline of the view is set to architectural. It must be something specific in your template or visibility settings, that is turning them off.

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

11-02-2012 08:20 AM in reply to: dbroad

I suspect you are seeing a message like this when placing the structural column?

 

visible_elements.png

 

Then you can't see the column you just placed.  Structural columns are positioned in a negative direction from the level.  The view range of an "architectural" plan has the bottom of it set to the height of the level itself.  So the structural column is being placed below the view range of the view and you can't see it.  Visibility and graphics is NOT goin to affect this.  To see the structural colums you either need to change the negative offset of the column to move it where it will be visible in the view range, or change the view range of the view so it "sees" a bit below the current level so the column can be seen.

 

As I understand it, the negative offset placement of structural columns is related to the typical workflow of a structural engineer.  They think of plans from the level looking down (floor framing and below is what is critical to them) where architects think of the level as the 4' or so above level of the floor.



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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

11-02-2012 09:03 AM in reply to: dbroad

Thanks Jeff.  

 

Glad I asked.  May I suggest that the visibility message might be considered for improvement.  Perhaps a specific message could be triggered for structural columns reminding users that they really belong to the level below.

 

The workflow seems reasonable (if that is what engineers want) but none of the textbooks I have read have mentioned it.  (odd)

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

11-02-2012 09:39 AM in reply to: dbroad

You should have mentioned that you were receiving an error message at the moment of creating structural columns. It was understood as if you could not see any structural columns in architectural plans at all.

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

11-02-2012 10:02 AM in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

I guess that might have made the post better but even if when we created the columns in the structural views, they didn't show up in the architectural views.  I didn't think about the structural columns being drawn downward instead of upward.  The warning did show up when we attempted to draw structural columns in architectural views but now I understand why they are related.

 

Thanks for your responses.

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

11-02-2012 11:01 AM in reply to: dbroad

"The workflow seems reasonable (if that is what engineers want) but none of the textbooks I have read have mentioned it.  (odd)"

 

 

Not "want", but "need".

 

If you read a typical set of multi-level structural drawings, the fact that engineers usually draw what's holding up the floor instead of drawing what the floor holds up, must become apparent.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

11-02-2012 11:14 AM in reply to: caddmannq

I understand and agree with your point.  But it flys in the face of what would be expected IMO per orthographic viewing.  Since most plan views are sections, they are expected to illustrate the things that the cut plane intersects.  If I was reading a structural plan for a particular level, I would have expected that the columns labelled would exist at the ordinary cut plane of that level.

 

AutoCAD Architecture does it the opposite way BTW.  Placement of columns is at their bottom, not their top.  Since standards vary, there should be some documentation of it in the standard training manuals.  I haven't found any yet.  I will continue looking.

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

08-19-2013 08:06 AM in reply to: Alfredo_Medina

I am having the same issue with structural columns and beams not showing up in architectural plan and section views. I checked the visibility settings, but I don't see any of the structural elements unchecked, so I don't understand why they're not showing up. 

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Re: Why don't structural columns show up in architectural plans? (Revit 2013)

08-19-2013 08:08 AM in reply to: loboarch

All the structural elements show up in structural plan views as they should, but not in any of the architectural views. Do you have any idea as to why they don't show up in the architectural views?

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