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sddjd
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Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

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06-08-2010 12:57 PM

Forgive my frustration, but at what point did Autodesk decide it knows better than I what I wish to draw & edit?

 

First off- automatic temporary dimensions... they're ridiculous.  I'm sure there is an option buried somewhere in 2011 that tells the software not to create permanent undeletable dimensions whenever a line is sketched; can someone point the way? 

 

Next up- dimensions that cannot be deleted.  For example, creating a new generic family I create two reference planes, draw a dimension between them, and immediately am "stuck" with this dimension.  It's undeletable... nor are the reference planes that I CHOSE TO CREATE.  This occurs BEFORE any lines or objects are created or associated with them.  How in the world has this asinine system found its way into what is supposed to be a progressive release?  I had no such issues in 2010; perhaps things went too smoothly therein?

 

 

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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-08-2010 01:25 PM in reply to: sddjd

That's a funny thing, those undeletable ref planes. I can't figure them out either.

 

is it: Bug or Feature?

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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-08-2010 01:45 PM in reply to: sddjd

While I don't mean to sound rude but this sounds like operator failure.  The undeleteable elements issue is something I have never encountered and am unable to recreate based on your description.  I have created several familes using 2011 most of them generic and these problems have not happened to me.

Secondly I am not sure what your issue with temporary dimensions is.  They are by everyones accounts I've encountered extremely helpful.  They only become permanent dimensions when you click on the symbol making them permanent. 

 

Lawrence

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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-08-2010 02:09 PM in reply to: bt1138

bt1138 wrote:

That's a funny thing, those undeletable ref planes. I can't figure them out either.

 

is it: Bug or Feature?


The reference planes in the family templates are intentionally not deletable. 



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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-08-2010 04:12 PM in reply to: sddjd

That settles it:  

 

-->Its a feature. (which was my suspicion)

 

 

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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-08-2010 05:02 PM in reply to: bt1138

clarification:  not EVERY ref plane/dimension is not deletable in the family editor.  Only the ones that are built into the template for that particular family type.  The dimensions/ref planes you create can be deleted at any time. 



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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-08-2010 05:14 PM in reply to: sddjd

Jeff/Scott,

Understood about the built-in reference planes.  However, I'm becoming suspicious of my installation due to the fact that generic planes I create in a new family all immediately become locked from deletion.  Similarly, any line drawn in the family editor (symbolic, model, etc) displays its temporary dimensions at creation.  Upon completion of the command (modify clicked) all of the temporary dimensions become true dimensions.  This occurs without selection of the activate hotspot, and the now permanent dimensions cannot be deleted in any way. 

 

I'm finding similar irregularities with groups & phasing.  A file I created using 2010 which uses several repeating units (residential plans within an existing shell) won't allow these groups to be copied within their phase in 2011.  For example, in 2010 the model was created with said groups containing elements demolished at "new construction".  Copying these groups correctly recreated the phasing of the elements contained therein.  It worked (still does in our 2010 installations).  Performing the same operation in 2011 causes all of the demolished elements within the group being copied to lose their demo status.  This completely negates the benefit of grouping the objects in the first place. 

 

Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of a full reinstall at the moment.  Anyone else experiencing similar group/phasing behavior? 

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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-09-2010 09:11 AM in reply to: davissc

Scott:

 

Is there anywhere that this sort of thing is documented? I eventually decided that the non-deletable planes were as designed. But I was still guessing on the issue. 

 

There is a trend in computerland to provide less documentation, and on-line documentation. I don't think it's good fit with big complicated programs such as Revit.

 

bt

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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-09-2010 05:33 PM in reply to: bt1138

bt1138 wrote:

Scott:

 

Is there anywhere that this sort of thing is documented?


I am not Scott but I work on the User Assistance team so I am closer to the issue.  The non deletable status of the reference planes is not documented.

 

There are many factors that go into what does and does not get documented.  This is one that was low on the priority list.

 

Just so I can understand your desire to have a detail like this documented, my question would be, Why do you feel this is something that needs to be documented?  How has the lack of documentation on this subject impacted your understanding of the basic family creation work flow?

 



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Re: Undeletable objects, automatic temporary dimensions.... etc, etc

06-09-2010 05:35 PM in reply to: sddjd

sddjd wrote:

Jeff/Scott,

Understood about the built-in reference planes.  However, I'm becoming suspicious of my installation due to the fact that generic planes I create in a new family all immediately become locked from deletion.  Similarly, any line drawn in the family editor (symbolic, model, etc) displays its temporary dimensions at creation.  Upon completion of the command (modify clicked) all of the temporary dimensions become true dimensions.  This occurs without selection of the activate hotspot, and the now permanent dimensions cannot be deleted in any way. 

 

I'm finding similar irregularities with groups & phasing.  A file I created using 2010 which uses several repeating units (residential plans within an existing shell) won't allow these groups to be copied within their phase in 2011.  For example, in 2010 the model was created with said groups containing elements demolished at "new construction".  Copying these groups correctly recreated the phasing of the elements contained therein.  It worked (still does in our 2010 installations).  Performing the same operation in 2011 causes all of the demolished elements within the group being copied to lose their demo status.  This completely negates the benefit of grouping the objects in the first place. 

 

Unfortunately I don't have the luxury of a full reinstall at the moment.  Anyone else experiencing similar group/phasing behavior? 


I would be very suspicious of your installation as well.  The behaviors you are describing are very abnormal.



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